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Black Orchid
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by Black Orchid » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:03 pm
Nom De Plume wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:29 pm
Nom De Plume wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:27 pm
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:32 pm
He has not slashed funding to the CDC nor has he forbidden them to do testing. You spout a lot of unmitigated crap. As for upsetting the terrorists why don't you go over and give them a big hug.
Actually, the pair of you are full of shit!
US preparedness to deal with the threat of coronavirus has been hampered by the personnel and budget cuts made by the Trump administration over the past three years, according to health experts.
There is no one in the White House tasked specifically to oversee a coordinated government-wide response in the event of a pandemic, since the post of senior director for global health security and biothreats on the national security council (NSC) was eliminated last May.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... erprepared
Well done Trump!
Here's some more reading for you from Tim Morrison, the former senior director for counterproliferation and biodefense on the National Security Council ...
It has been alleged by multiple officials of the Obama administration, including in The Post, that the president and his then-national security adviser, John Bolton, “dissolved the office” at the White House in charge of pandemic preparedness. Because I led the very directorate assigned that mission, the counterproliferation and biodefense office, for a year and then handed it off to another official who still holds the post, I know the charge is specious.
Now, I’m not naive. This is Washington. It’s an election year. Officials out of power want back into power after November. But the middle of a worldwide health emergency is not the time to be making tendentious accusations. [….]
One such move at the NSC was to create the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate, which was the result of consolidating three directorates into one, given the obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense. It is this reorganization that critics have misconstrued or intentionally misrepresented. If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled.
So in other words because they combined offices to make things more efficient, Democrats and their willing support team in media are arguing they “eliminated” the office.
Even John Bolton weighed in and called it garbage. Needless to say, he has not love lost for the president so he isn’t saying it to defend him.
https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/202 ... se-office/
You can also find it in the Washington Post which is, of course, a lefty rag and not pro Trump. Trump actually made it more efficient and responsive.
Education is an awesome weapon.
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The4thEstate
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by The4thEstate » Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:06 pm
Let's also remember that when Trump banned travel from China in January, Joe Biden had the following response during a campaign rally:
“In moments like this, this is where the credibility of a president is most needed, as he explains what we should and should not do. This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia, hysterical xenophobia, to uh, and fear-mongering.”
So preventing the entry of Chinese nationals who are possibly carrying a deadly virus is "hysterical xenophobia"?
Yeah, that's the guy I want in charge of America's national response to a pandemic! Because the most important goal of any president is not saving thousands of lives, but avoiding hysterical xenophobia.
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Black Orchid
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by Black Orchid » Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:19 pm
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:06 pm
Let's also remember that when Trump banned travel from China in January, Joe Biden had the following response during a campaign rally:
“In moments like this, this is where the credibility of a president is most needed, as he explains what we should and should not do. This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia, hysterical xenophobia, to uh, and fear-mongering.”
So preventing the entry of Chinese nationals who are possibly carrying a deadly virus is "hysterical xenophobia"?
Yeah, that's the guy I want in charge of America's national response to a pandemic! Because the most important goal of any president is not saving thousands of lives, but avoiding hysterical xenophobia.
He's still batting on about Trump being racist and he is also saying he would handle the pandemic by not putting restrictions on travel. What the heck?
Senile old fool.
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Black Orchid
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by Black Orchid » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:48 am
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:22 pm
Before you start accusing people of spouting BS perhaps you should do some more research somewhere other than the Guardian.
CDC operating budget plans show that its funding for global public health protection — which includes global disease detection and emergency response and global public health capacity — increased from $58 million in fiscal year 2017 to around $108 million in fiscal years 2018 and 2019. (And that does not include any remaining supplemental funds available for use.) The increases included nearly $50 million more each year for CDC’s global health security initiatives.
Those amounts went up again in fiscal year 2020, when the CDC was awarded $183 million for global public health protection, overall, and $125 million specifically for its global health security efforts. For fiscal year 2021, President Donald Trump has requested that CDC funding for global disease detection and other programs be increased further — to $225 million total, with $175 million going directly to global health security.
With its current funding, Bartee said, the CDC is actually working in “more than 60 countries” — not 10 — to address the threat of global infectious diseases and outbreaks.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/false ... emic-work/
Trump also signed into law a $8.3 billion emergency supplemental package Congress approved last week. BTW Admiral Timothy Ziemer (who headed the NSC) left the NSC, he was not 'fired' nor has the NSC been 'eliminated. The CDC is in charge of the pandemic and rightly so and Trump and Pence have made appointments of global health experts who will assist the CDC and be backed by the NSC.
I should add that cuts were put forward but have not passed Congress as far as I know.
Every year since Trump has been president, lawmakers have passed bills — bills signed by Trump — that not only exceeded what Trump requested on emerging infections but also exceeded what had been spent the previous year.
As the chart below shows, funding increased every year from fiscal year 2017 to fiscal year 2020. (We have not included the 2017 proposal, since that was submitted by the Obama administration. The figures for 2020 are preliminary.)
Chart is here ...
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... defund-cd/
Quick someone get a hose your hair is on fire. Don't be so fast to attack.
Bump!
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Black Orchid
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by Black Orchid » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:48 am
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:03 pm
Nom De Plume wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:29 pm
Nom De Plume wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:27 pm
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:32 pm
He has not slashed funding to the CDC nor has he forbidden them to do testing. You spout a lot of unmitigated crap. As for upsetting the terrorists why don't you go over and give them a big hug.
Actually, the pair of you are full of shit!
US preparedness to deal with the threat of coronavirus has been hampered by the personnel and budget cuts made by the Trump administration over the past three years, according to health experts.
There is no one in the White House tasked specifically to oversee a coordinated government-wide response in the event of a pandemic, since the post of senior director for global health security and biothreats on the national security council (NSC) was eliminated last May.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... erprepared
Well done Trump!
Here's some more reading for you from Tim Morrison, the former senior director for counterproliferation and biodefense on the National Security Council ...
It has been alleged by multiple officials of the Obama administration, including in The Post, that the president and his then-national security adviser, John Bolton, “dissolved the office” at the White House in charge of pandemic preparedness. Because I led the very directorate assigned that mission, the counterproliferation and biodefense office, for a year and then handed it off to another official who still holds the post, I know the charge is specious.
Now, I’m not naive. This is Washington. It’s an election year. Officials out of power want back into power after November. But the middle of a worldwide health emergency is not the time to be making tendentious accusations. [….]
One such move at the NSC was to create the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate, which was the result of consolidating three directorates into one, given the obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense. It is this reorganization that critics have misconstrued or intentionally misrepresented. If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled.
So in other words because they combined offices to make things more efficient, Democrats and their willing support team in media are arguing they “eliminated” the office.
Even John Bolton weighed in and called it garbage. Needless to say, he has not love lost for the president so he isn’t saying it to defend him.
https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/202 ... se-office/
You can also find it in the Washington Post which is, of course, a lefty rag and not pro Trump. Trump actually made it more efficient and responsive.
Education is an awesome weapon.
Bump!
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Nom De Plume
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by Nom De Plume » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:16 pm
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:48 am
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:22 pm
Before you start accusing people of spouting BS perhaps you should do some more research somewhere other than the Guardian.
CDC operating budget plans show that its funding for global public health protection — which includes global disease detection and emergency response and global public health capacity — increased from $58 million in fiscal year 2017 to around $108 million in fiscal years 2018 and 2019. (And that does not include any remaining supplemental funds available for use.) The increases included nearly $50 million more each year for CDC’s global health security initiatives.
Those amounts went up again in fiscal year 2020, when the CDC was awarded $183 million for global public health protection, overall, and $125 million specifically for its global health security efforts. For fiscal year 2021, President Donald Trump has requested that CDC funding for global disease detection and other programs be increased further — to $225 million total, with $175 million going directly to global health security.
With its current funding, Bartee said, the CDC is actually working in “more than 60 countries” — not 10 — to address the threat of global infectious diseases and outbreaks.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/false ... emic-work/
Trump also signed into law a $8.3 billion emergency supplemental package Congress approved last week. BTW Admiral Timothy Ziemer (who headed the NSC) left the NSC, he was not 'fired' nor has the NSC been 'eliminated. The CDC is in charge of the pandemic and rightly so and Trump and Pence have made appointments of global health experts who will assist the CDC and be backed by the NSC.
I should add that cuts were put forward but have not passed Congress as far as I know.
Every year since Trump has been president, lawmakers have passed bills — bills signed by Trump — that not only exceeded what Trump requested on emerging infections but also exceeded what had been spent the previous year.
As the chart below shows, funding increased every year from fiscal year 2017 to fiscal year 2020. (We have not included the 2017 proposal, since that was submitted by the Obama administration. The figures for 2020 are preliminary.)
Chart is here ...
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... defund-cd/
Quick someone get a hose your hair is on fire. Don't be so fast to attack.
Bump!
Hmmm... So I asked myself... 'What would Brian say or do? And the answer?
tsk, tsk... BO... You should know when you are being baited!
"But you will run your kunt mouth at me. And I will take it, to play poker."
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Black Orchid
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by Black Orchid » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:21 pm
Very hard in type with so few words. A /sarc might help?
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The4thEstate
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by The4thEstate » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:24 pm
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:19 pm
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:06 pm
Let's also remember that when Trump banned travel from China in January, Joe Biden had the following response during a campaign rally:
“In moments like this, this is where the credibility of a president is most needed, as he explains what we should and should not do. This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia, hysterical xenophobia, to uh, and fear-mongering.”
So preventing the entry of Chinese nationals who are possibly carrying a deadly virus is "hysterical xenophobia"?
Yeah, that's the guy I want in charge of America's national response to a pandemic! Because the most important goal of any president is not saving thousands of lives, but avoiding hysterical xenophobia.
He's still batting on about Trump being racist and he is also saying he would handle the pandemic by not putting restrictions on travel. What the heck?
Senile old fool.
Yeah, Biden has trouble remember what state he's in and what day the primary election is being held ("Super Thursday" instead of "Super Tuesday").
But actually, there have been a lot of lefties who've gotten their panties in a bunch over Trump calling it the "Chinese virus," saying it's racist.
With all the crazy crap that's going on right now, isn't it great to find people who have nothing better to do than worry about whether the name of a virus might offend someone?
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Texan
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by Texan » Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:25 pm
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:24 pm
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:19 pm
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:06 pm
Let's also remember that when Trump banned travel from China in January, Joe Biden had the following response during a campaign rally:
“In moments like this, this is where the credibility of a president is most needed, as he explains what we should and should not do. This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia, hysterical xenophobia, to uh, and fear-mongering.”
So preventing the entry of Chinese nationals who are possibly carrying a deadly virus is "hysterical xenophobia"?
Yeah, that's the guy I want in charge of America's national response to a pandemic! Because the most important goal of any president is not saving thousands of lives, but avoiding hysterical xenophobia.
He's still batting on about Trump being racist and he is also saying he would handle the pandemic by not putting restrictions on travel. What the heck?
Senile old fool.
Yeah, Biden has trouble remember what state he's in and what day the primary election is being held ("Super Thursday" instead of "Super Tuesday").
But actually, there have been a lot of lefties who've gotten their panties in a bunch over Trump calling it the "Chinese virus," saying it's racist.
With all the crazy crap that's going on right now, isn't it great to find people who have nothing better to do than worry about whether the name of a virus might offend someone?
Absolutely. So let's call it the Red Communist Socialist Yellow Chinese Bat Eaters Virus.
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The4thEstate
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by The4thEstate » Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:28 pm
Texan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:25 pm
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:24 pm
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:19 pm
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:06 pm
Let's also remember that when Trump banned travel from China in January, Joe Biden had the following response during a campaign rally:
“In moments like this, this is where the credibility of a president is most needed, as he explains what we should and should not do. This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia, hysterical xenophobia, to uh, and fear-mongering.”
So preventing the entry of Chinese nationals who are possibly carrying a deadly virus is "hysterical xenophobia"?
Yeah, that's the guy I want in charge of America's national response to a pandemic! Because the most important goal of any president is not saving thousands of lives, but avoiding hysterical xenophobia.
He's still batting on about Trump being racist and he is also saying he would handle the pandemic by not putting restrictions on travel. What the heck?
Senile old fool.
Yeah, Biden has trouble remember what state he's in and what day the primary election is being held ("Super Thursday" instead of "Super Tuesday").
But actually, there have been a lot of lefties who've gotten their panties in a bunch over Trump calling it the "Chinese virus," saying it's racist.
With all the crazy crap that's going on right now, isn't it great to find people who have nothing better to do than worry about whether the name of a virus might offend someone?
Absolutely. So let's call it the Red Communist Socialist Yellow Chinese Bat Eaters Virus.
Now that's more like it.
As long as we don't offend anybody, I'm all for it!
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