What you appear to misunderstand, perhaps because you're a simpleton, is that I don't support the next load of despots any more than I do the previous load, 4E. You appear to believe that I actually believe that Chavez or the Ayatollahs are better than the previous load of cretins that your government unquestionly supported. I don't. What I support though, is the right of a society to choose who they want to lead them, without foreign interference. You know, the very thing that your el Presidente' is being investigated for?The4thEstate wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:25 amGosh, Brian, you're so right!brian ross wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:33 pmAh, yes, what is that the USA is renowned to stand for again, 4E? "Truth, justice, liberty" isn't it? I suppose supporting a dictator like the Shah of Iran or any of the other motley crew of despots the US was willing to support for so long, is something that you're proud of, I take it?
Jimmy Carter had the right idea but he didn't understand that he would have to dismantle the US's nearly full foreign allegiance system to make the world a better place. It had been created on support of the strongest local despots, afterall, now hadn't it? You know, funding, helping, using the US military to back the worst gang of criminals the world has seen and all on your tax dollar and virtually all by Republican el Presidentes.
Of course, the Vietnamese were the first to show us how to shrug off your yoke. Then the Iranians followed suit. Such crushing defeats for Washington to see people free and able to live their lives as they wanted. Such a shame to see so many Americans get killed and crippled by those nasty, freedom loving third worlders, hey?
Must be wonderful to live in such a hypocritical nation, 4E. Your government spins bullshit to the world and does the exact opposite. Tsk, tsk.
Let's consider the impressive gifts that the left and its "people's revolutions" have bestowed on the world -- like the one we're currently witnessing in Venezuela. Obama's diversity czar, Mark Lloyd praised Hugo Chavez in 2009: "In Venezuela, with Chavez, is really an incredible revolution -- a democratic revolution. To begin to put in place things that are going to have an impact on the people of Venezuela."
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/se ... democratic
Indeed, that' "democratic revolution" has certainly been incredible for the Venezuelan people. Sure, the Venezuelan people often have to scrounge for food in their oil-rich nation. But what really matters is that they -- and we -- can celebrate the way Chavez and his successor stuck it to the evil capitalists.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... 50330.html
Many Venezuelans ... are hungry due to the country’s economic crisis, where reports show that more than one-third of the people eat only one meal a day. The economic collapse sparked by two decades of socialist Chavista policies has turned the once rich oil-producing country into one of the poorest in the region.
Viva la revolucion!
Ditto for the Iranians. Down with the Shah ... up with the Ayatollah! Out with American influence ... in with Islam and the mullahs!
We now see widespread prosperity and contentment to the average Iranian, as today's happy news stories indicate:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... -protests/
Verified video footage, eyewitness testimony from people on the ground and information gathered from human rights activists outside Iran reveal a harrowing pattern of unlawful killings by Iranian security forces, which have used excessive and lethal force to crush largely peaceful protests in more than 100 cities across Iran sparked by a hike in fuel prices on 15 November, said Amnesty International today. At least 106 protesters in 21 cities have been killed.
Naturally, exciting events such as these have the full support of our resident people's revolutionary:
I couldn't agree more. It's heartwarming to see Iranians who once toiled under the yoke of the oppressive Americans rise up, throw off their chains and enjoy the freedom to live their lives as they wanted!brian ross wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:33 pmOf course, the Vietnamese were the first to show us how to shrug off your yoke. Then the Iranians followed suit. Such crushing defeats for Washington to see people free and able to live their lives as they wanted.
And I take Brian at his word: If 106 peaceful Iranian protesters died at the hands of Iranian security forces, we can only assume that not only did they deserve it, but that it was all part of them "living their lives as they wanted."
Now, perhaps you'd care to explain to us why does your Government get to choose what governments will rule countries around the world while it reserves to itself the right to stop foreign interference in your elections?
I've always understood that the US believed in Democracy. Yet, there are numerous examples from around the world where the US has supported non-Democratic governments. Would you care to explain to us the hypocrisy in that? I mean, it even went to war in Vietnam because it didn't like the Vietnamese choosing their own government. Eisenhower is even on record claiming that he couldn't let Vietnam choose a democratically elected government because the Vietnamese were likely to make the wrong choice and choose Communists to lead them. I wonder how then Washington could support Josip Bron in Yugoslavia for all those decades. He was a Communist and he came to power through armed rebellion and civil war. So, how was Ho different?
I know my understanding about American foreign policy must be mistaken but all your el Presidente have made similar noises as they launch the US military on their next adventure in the third world. Be it Guatamala, Cuba, Vietnam, Grenada or Iraq, you know the people never get a chance to choose, except of course the candidates that Washington has approved of.
Now, many on the far Left downunder like to claim that Washington destabilised and caused the overthrow of our government in 1975. Afterall, it was what it had just done in Chile, now wasn't it? Allende's replacement, Pinochet was another shining light of democracy of the kind that Washington likes so much. Personally, while I don't doubt that the CIA was involved in a minor way, they really only just salted the mine with some money and let the crazy Australians tear themselves apart. Afterall, the CIA was involved here with dodgy banks and dodgey customers, all at a loss with the downfall of their pet regime in Saigon...
