US Election

[cods]

Apart from the silly "disgust" comment I agree with Nommy. The real fear now is can it ever be turned around? Trump was an anomaly and not a member of the establishment.

And, finally, for this post, I believe that the founding fathers gave there citizens the right to bare arms and a duty to protect each other against tyranny from internal and external actors was sound, but they underestimated their citizens apathy.

It is up to the American people to reclaim there democratic republic.

how long do you think that will take nom?? by the look of things they are taking a few steps backwards

which strikes me is an IF TRUMP DID IT lets UNDO IT...attitude....which is pitiful really...

It's a non-partisan issue, yet the peeps think otherwise...
It's about the Republic itself being controlled and manipulated by power hungry career politicians.

isnt that ALL of them nom....give any man a little POWER and he straight away abuses it....it never fails....the way the democrats have behavied since CLinton lost...has set a terrible president on how to behave when you lose.....you destroy or try to at every turn....

it was exactly the same here when first they stabbed krudd in the back..........from there what happened?????????????

[Nom De Plume]

Empty rhetoric when the MSM controls what the plebs see or don't see.

You say that without even trying!

I know it works.

But if you want to wallow in nay saying negativity as you often do then nothing will work so why bother trying, yeah?
And why bother complaining in the first place?
If you believe that nothing will work then do as all losers do and give up!

Trump, unlike you, is not a loser. He won't give up.
Perhaps, losers will pin there hope on him.

[Black Orchid]

Empty rhetoric when the MSM controls what the plebs see or don't see.

You say that without even trying!

I know it works.

But if you want to wallow in nay saying negativity as you often do then nothing will work so why bother trying, yeah?
And why bother complaining in the first place?
If you believe that nothing will work then do as all losers do and give up!

Trump, unlike you, is not a loser. He won't give up.
Perhaps, losers will pin there hope on him.

Apart from being abrasive and rude you don't comprehend a whole lot. No Trump will not give up! Yet you've been slamming him every inch of the way. He's non establishment and had the best chance of success.

You have still given no viable solution. "Catchy sound bites" you say are an answer but when the MSM is controlling the narrative how do you expect to get these "catchy sound bites" out? "Be polite" and be "disciplined" you say. Oh sure that will work. We're not talking about a forum. I have to consider this to be a joke.

Join a fight club Nom or learn to discuss matters with civility.

The obvious answer would be to follow the money! Which only Trump was willing to do.

[Redneck]

The obvious answer would be to follow the money!

How did your bets on Trump go with the bookies BO ?

Or were you telling fibs?

[Black Orchid]

The obvious answer would be to follow the money!

How did your bets on Trump go with the bookies BO ?

Or were you telling fibs?

How is that even remotely relevant?

[Nom De Plume]

Empty rhetoric when the MSM controls what the plebs see or don't see.

You say that without even trying!

I know it works.

But if you want to wallow in nay saying negativity as you often do then nothing will work so why bother trying, yeah?
And why bother complaining in the first place?
If you believe that nothing will work then do as all losers do and give up!

Trump, unlike you, is not a loser. He won't give up.
Perhaps, losers will pin there hope on him.

Apart from being abrasive and rude you don't comprehend a whole lot. No Trump will not give up! Yet you've been slamming him every inch of the way. He's non establishment and had the best chance of success.

You have still given no viable solution. "Catchy sound bites" you say are an answer but when the MSM is controlling the narrative how do you expect to get these "catchy sound bites" out? "Be polite" and be "disciplined" you say. Oh sure that will work. We're not talking about a forum. I have to consider this to be a joke.

Join a fight club Nom or learn to discuss matters with civility.

The obvious answer would be to follow the money! Which only Trump was willing to do.

Not my country. Not my problem.
The fact remains that the US is a corrupt nation and has been for a long time.
Nothing can be done about it.
It is hopeless.

Plutarch has been proven correct yet again!
An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics.

The abuse of buying and selling votes crept in and
money began to play an important part in determining
elections. Later on, this process of corruption spread to
the law courts. And then to the army, and finally the
Republic was subjected to the rule of emperors

[Nom De Plume]

The obvious answer would be to follow the money! Which only Trump was willing to do.

You are talking about forensic accounting here which takes years to investigate...
More than that, you are talking about a non partisan forensic accounting investigation of senators, reps and lobbyist.
I can't see the career politicians agreeing to that... Can you?
Of course not! Absurd idea!

Bottom line here is that he should have, maybe could have, but definitely didn't send in the auditors after he came into power.
Anyways... the corruption is systemic... Were on earth would you start!

No BO, there is no hope. America is corrupt and that isn't going to change in our lifetime.

[Black Orchid]

The obvious answer would be to follow the money! Which only Trump was willing to do.

You are talking about forensic accounting here which takes years to investigate...
More than that, you are talking about a non partisan forensic accounting investigation of senators, reps and lobbyist.
I can't see the career politicians agreeing to that... Can you?
Of course not! Absurd idea!

Bottom line here is that he should have, maybe could have, but definitely didn't send in the auditors after he came into power.
Anyways... the corruption is systemic... Were on earth would you start!

No BO, there is no hope. America is corrupt and that isn't going to change in our lifetime.

Maybe with those "catchy sound bites" that no-one will ever hear lol.

[BigP]

It will be impossible for the American people to reclaim anything whilst the MSM controls the narrative.

You have identified the problem, BO... and anyone can do that!
What about a solution?

The problem has always been the MSM as I have said so many times and I have no solution. Do you?

How do you propose the American people (and the world) take down the MSM controlling the narrative and appointing world leaders of their choice?

Merely saying "the American people need to reclaim their democratic republic" is empty verbiage and not a solution. Any numbskull can say that.

The socials, including FB Twitter and the like are easy targets...
The key to this approach is to be factual... so that it passes the fact checkers...
The key is to be polite, and report those who abusively question facts...
The key is to be disciplined...
The key is to have catchy sound bites that resonate with everyone....

The key is to appeal when or if the socials mark your post as questionable....

You use the msm to question the msm...

""The key to this approach is to be factual... so that it passes the fact checkers...""

One persons fact is another's fiction

[Nom De Plume]

The obvious answer would be to follow the money! Which only Trump was willing to do.

You are talking about forensic accounting here which takes years to investigate...
More than that, you are talking about a non partisan forensic accounting investigation of senators, reps and lobbyist.
I can't see the career politicians agreeing to that... Can you?
Of course not! Absurd idea!

Bottom line here is that he should have, maybe could have, but definitely didn't send in the auditors after he came into power.
Anyways... the corruption is systemic... Were on earth would you start!

No BO, there is no hope. America is corrupt and that isn't going to change in our lifetime.

Maybe with those "catchy sound bites" that no-one will ever hear lol.

That was a silly idea, was not!

Just as stupid as your catchy 'follow the money' sound bite... don't you think?

Anyways it's not our problem. Not our nation.
We are merely witnesses watching the greatest Republic in the entirety of history dissolve into a seething mess of corruption.

Someone here quoted Burke...“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
That is merely an abbreviation of what he actually wrote....

Whilst men are linked together, they easily and speedily communicate the alarm of any evil design. They are enabled to fathom it with common counsel, and to oppose it with united strength. Whereas, when they lie dispersed, without concert, order, or discipline, communication is uncertain, counsel difficult, and resistance impracticable. Where men are not acquainted with each other’s principles, nor experienced in each other’s talents, nor at all practised in their mutual habitudes and dispositions by joint efforts in business; no personal confidence, no friendship, no common interest, subsisting among them; it is evidently impossible that they can act a public part with uniformity, perseverance, or efficacy. In a connection, the most inconsiderable man, by adding to the weight of the whole, has his value, and his use; out of it, the greatest talents are wholly unserviceable to the public. No man, who is not inflamed by vain-glory into enthusiasm, can flatter himself that his single, unsupported, desultory, unsystematic endeavours, are of power to defeat the subtle designs and united cabals of ambitious citizens. When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.

–Edmund Burke, Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents 82-83 (1770) in: Select Works of Edmund Burke, vol. 1, p. 146 (Liberty Fund ed. 1999).