Time for the entire US politican system to resign

[brian ross]

Briney wrote

I am not claiming that the UK (note, not the EU) system is perfect. Far from it. However the British appear to be able to act much more responsibly and can accept responsibility for their actions.

Then how come it took two elections and one referendum before the British loony left Labour flashed on the fact that the British people wish to Brexit? Even many of the 48% who voted remain in the referendum realised that Labour was being undemocratic by constantly ignoring the majority decision and using every trick in the book to frustrate the majorities clear intention.

My prediction is the leftist wipeout we saw in Britain will be repeated in the USA when Trump is re elected President. Even people who voted against Trump are realising that for three years this president has been subject to a McCathyist witch hunt by a Democratic Party who never gives him any credit, and who have looked for any way to get rid of him short of implementing policies which would appeal to the majority of voters.

I am unsure why you keep mistakenly pinning the outcome on Labour, Bogan except your antipathy towards anything of the Left. There are a fair sized rump of Tories which voted continually against the deals presented to them by the Tory Government after the referendum had occurred.

[Bogan]

Briney wrote

I am unsure why you keep mistakenly pinning the outcome on Labour, Bogan except your antipathy towards anything of the Left. There are a fair sized rump of Tories which voted continually against the deals presented to them by the Tory Government after the referendum had occurred.

There were a lot of Tories who did not want Brexit, but they were smart enough to sniff the wind and realise that Brexit is what the majority of the British people wanted. And as representatives of the people, they are bound to obey the people's wishes, even if they disagree with them. By the time Boris became leader, if you were a Tory and were a Remainer, then you had better keep your mouth shut because either the party whip would bring you back into line, or your own sense of political self preservation would make you realise that you were pissing off your own electors if you continued down that path. We saw the same thing in Australia with Rudd and the boats.

But Labour was something else. The membership of the labour party appears to be completely of the loony left variety who were actually crazy enough to put a full on Communist as leader of their own party. These guys, like your good self, are completely out of touch with what the majority of people want. It is in their stupid DNA to simply oppose everything that the majority wants as a means of displaying their social superiority. The Labour left can still get elected by promising stupid people free stuff, but this election was not about that. It was about Brexit. Brexit. Brexit.

The majority of people wanted out of the EU and even the ones who were Remainers who had any brains, were utterly appalled at the way that the political establishment just would not implement the people's wishes. So, it became an election where the people of Britain reminded the political establishment that they were the people's servants, not the people's masters. The issue was Brexit, but the cause of the leftist rout was the people of a democracy hurling out of power those elected officials who ignored their own electorates clearly displayed wishes.

For God's sake, one electorate that had been Labour for 134 years elected a Tory. The working class just sent a message to the activist class who had usurped the worker's party, that they had better start representing the working class instead of ignoring them and talking down to them, or the working class would find another party to represent them.

The workers of the world are uniting, Brian. Against the policies of people like you.

[Bogan]

I can't wait for the next US elections. What's the bet the Democrats will get just as thrashed as labour in Britain? I would love to see that vinegar faced Nancy Pelosi get hurled from office. Same for Pocahontas, and that rabble rousing racist, Maxine Waters.

What the Democrats need is another Charlie Wilson.

You are on the wrong side of history, Brian. The times, they are, a changin'

[Texan]

I can't wait for the next US elections. What's the bet the Democrats will get just as thrashed as labour in Britain? I would love to see that vinegar faced Nancy Pelosi get hurled from office. Same for Pocahontas, and that rabble rousing racist, Maxine Waters.

What the Democrats need is another Charlie Wilson.

You are on the wrong side of history, Brian. The times, they are, a changin'

The names you mentioned are in very leftist large city districts. Their seats are very safe, for now. Maybe we will have a good shot at Fauxcahantas soon as her district is state wide. She isn't up for reelection until 2024.

One New Jersey Democrat is talking with Republicans about defecting to the Republican party already.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jeff-v ... rty-switch

[Bogan]

Texan wrote

The names you mentioned are in very leftist large city districts.

In the UK, it was the electorates that were overwhelmingly left wing Labour who defected en masse to the Tories. The endless "get Trump, get Trump, get Trump" obsession that the Democrats in the USA have is probably pissing off their own voters, in the same way that the endless Brexit saga pissed of left wing Labour voters in the UK. And just like the Labour Left in the UK, the Democrat Left in the USA can not see the approaching locomotive bearing down the tracks at them.

Against all expectations, Trump narrowly won the US Presidency. Call it luck or call it good management, or both, the US economy seems to be surging ahead. Trump stared down that North Korean clown and did everything right, while Obama would have just done nothing and tried to make a virtue about doing nothing. Those two factors alone would be enough to see him returned as President with an increased number of votes.

But there is more to it than that. In the entire western world,. there is a movement going on where the white majority, supported by the intelligent people from minorities, are hitting back at the socialist left who has usurped political power and is trying to completely change their own societies into a FUBAR. These political elites have nothing but contempt for their own working classes, and the working class is belatedly starting to figure that out. Just like in the UK, the recent Australian election saw traditional Labor seats fall to the Liberals for the first time ever.

What we are witnessing in the western world is a complete political realignment of the working class away from their left wing political leaders. These leaders openly despise the working class, and they completely ignore their interests, preferring instead to champion anything that will destroy white western civilisation and white majority rule in white European countries. And all to get the immigrant, indigenous native, and LGBTRCYEIDSOPL vote.

[The4thEstate]

Personally, I am getting fed up with the childish tit-for-tat back and forth between the Republicans, the Democrats, el Presidente Trump and everybody else. I think it's time they all packed up and went home and handed the reins of power back to the UK. Queen Elizabeth and even BoJo could do a better job than they seem capable of. Time for the world to have a rest from the bullshit that the US media bombards us with nightly. Time we all had a Christmas present and the whole shebang was handed over to Westminster until the yanks start acting like adults and took responsibility for their own actions. Tsk, tsk.

As bad as it is in the entrenched federal bureaucracy -- which explains why American voters put a disruptor like Trump in the White House -- I hardly see how it would improve anything to put ourselves under the control of the Brits, who can't even pull off a proper divorce from the EU without shedding Prime Ministers like ballast from a hot-air balloon.

Plus, we'd be selling out our sovereignty to a gaggle of unelected Eurocrats in Brussels, whose most fervent desire is to transform the continent into a Third World spillway packed with hordes of Middle East Muslims, Africans and others so unfamiliar with modern Western society that they need instructions to figure out how to use a flush toilet.

But look, if you're tired of listening to the U.S. media, my suggestion is that you do what most Americans do -- ignore it.

You may like to believe that about Trump but I am fairly sure he has simply replaced the old swamp with a new swamp, 4E.

An assertion that, as usual, is backed up by ... nothing.

However, the point I am making is that the US political system is pretty well fucked, well and truly. Doesn't matter who is in charge or who is on the bottom, the whole thing has been corrupted. Americans have demonstrated that they cannot be trusted with Government. They have become too partisan.

If the entire system were truly corrupted, an outsider like Trump would never have stood a chance of being elected in the first place.

But let's be frank here: You're only making that declaration because you're trapped in an ideological corner.

If you embrace Trump's outsider status in contrast to the D.C. establishment, you'll never be able sit at the lefty cool kids' lunch table again.

But if you embrace the existing order that Trump is in the process of disrupting, you're on the same side that gave America the corruption in the FBI and other federal agencies.

So, rather than admit that Trump might actually be doing the country good, your only way out is to curse the entire political system. Hey, I get it: It's a way out, if not an honest one.

I am not claiming that the UK (note, not the EU) system is perfect. Far from it. However the British appear to be able to act much more responsibly and can accept responsibility for their actions. If you ignore BREXIT for the moment, the Westminster system seems to be run by adults.

Oh, yeah ... that's readily apparent in the way Parliament is conducted. Like the way the entire body dissolves into a 3rd grade food fight around the 1:00 mark in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xJlPO5jqE8

I am unsure why you are mixing the Westminster system with the EU system. They are two completely separate political systems - which for the moment are connected but as we all know, that is about to end. Like a typical Ignorant American, I expect you believe that the Queen rules the UK and controls the Government?

"Typical ignorant American."

Ah, going ad hominem again, are we? Naughty, naughty Brian!

I'll throw you a bone and explain my viewpoint in terms that perhaps even you can understand: The EU indeed affects UK sovereignty, and I believe Brits, like any nation's citizens, should have full control over their own laws. (P.S. I feel the same way about the U.N.)

If you still doubt me, here's a little light reading for you:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 43256.html

What is 1972 European Communities Act?

The UK Parliament passed the European Communities Act in 1972 which gave instant effect to EU law. This means if there is a clash between an act of UK Parliament and EU Law, EU law will always succeed.

The European Court of Justice (ECJ) interprets EU law with judgments that were binding on all member states.

And if you're still having trouble understanding the big words, take a look at what happens when a nation like Hungary decides to buck an EU edict on immigration:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hung ... SKCN1PI1FP

BRUSSELS/BUDAPEST (Reuters) - The European Commission said on Thursday it was taking its legal procedure against Hungary to the next step after Budapest criminalised support for migrants, moving the case closer to a possible ruling by the European Court of Justice. The EU says Hungary’s tough stance has breached EU law.

But ... but ... but how could EU law be dominant over Hungarian law if, like the UK, Hungary has an entirely different political system than the EU?

[The4thEstate]

Briney wrote

I am not claiming that the UK (note, not the EU) system is perfect. Far from it. However the British appear to be able to act much more responsibly and can accept responsibility for their actions.

Then how come it took two elections and one referendum before the British loony left Labour flashed on the fact that the British people wish to Brexit? Even many of the 48% who voted remain in the referendum realised that Labour was being undemocratic by constantly ignoring the majority decision and using every trick in the book to frustrate the majorities clear intention.

My prediction is the leftist wipeout we saw in Britain will be repeated in the USA when Trump is re elected President. Even people who voted against Trump are realising that for three years this president has been subject to a McCathyist witch hunt by a Democratic Party who never gives him any credit, and who have looked for any way to get rid of him short of implementing policies which would appeal to the majority of voters.

That's the modern left for you: If they don't win an election, the other side must have cheated -- and in any case, they'll refuse to accept the results, and will work overtime to reverse them, without even waiting till the next election.

Because no matter what they claim to care about, their primary goal is power.

[The4thEstate]

Texan wrote

The names you mentioned are in very leftist large city districts.

In the UK, it was the electorates that were overwhelmingly left wing Labour who defected en masse to the Tories. The endless "get Trump, get Trump, get Trump" obsession that the Democrats in the USA have is probably pissing off their own voters, in the same way that the endless Brexit saga pissed of left wing Labour voters in the UK. And just like the Labour Left in the UK, the Democrat Left in the USA can not see the approaching locomotive bearing down the tracks at them.

Against all expectations, Trump narrowly won the US Presidency. Call it luck or call it good management, or both, the US economy seems to be surging ahead. Trump stared down that North Korean clown and did everything right, while Obama would have just done nothing and tried to make a virtue about doing nothing. Those two factors alone would be enough to see him returned as President with an increased number of votes.

But there is more to it than that. In the entire western world,. there is a movement going on where the white majority, supported by the intelligent people from minorities, are hitting back at the socialist left who has usurped political power and is trying to completely change their own societies into a FUBAR. These political elites have nothing but contempt for their own working classes, and the working class is belatedly starting to figure that out. Just like in the UK, the recent Australian election saw traditional Labor seats fall to the Liberals for the first time ever.

What we are witnessing in the western world is a complete political realignment of the working class away from their left wing political leaders. These leaders openly despise the working class, and they completely ignore their interests, preferring instead to champion anything that will destroy white western civilisation and white majority rule in white European countries. And all to get the immigrant, indigenous native, and LGBTRCYEIDSOPL vote.

You just nailed the reason behind the populist revolt in Western nations: Immigration.

For too long, the globalists sold out the average working man (and woman) under the guise of free trade, even though it devastated places like the American heartland, sending manufacturing offshore to China and elsewhere. Globalists also signed treaties like the Paris climate accord under the guise of saving the planet, even though it made nations more subservient to the whims of unelected international bureaucrats.

But mass immigration was the last straw. Importing tens of thousands of Third World refugees -- particularly Muslims who assimilate into Western society about as well as the AIDS virus assimilates into the human bloodstream -- hit average citizens where they live, literally. When dozens of German girls and women get sexually assaulted on New Year's Eve, when teenage girls get blown up while leaving a concern at Manchester Arena, when Paris magazine staffers get gunned down for having the audacity to exercise freedom of speech, then suddenly the plight of the poor, oppressed Middle Eastern migrant doesn't seem all that important anymore ... and in any case, why is it the West's obligation to take them in?

Oh, but the globalist EU begs to differ. These Eurocrats consider it their right to dictate immigration policy to every member nation, regardless of the consequences to everyday citizens, as evidenced by this recent story:
https://apnews.com/353b99a01ae949958d730b59737ee0a2

BRUSSELS (AP) — With overcrowded Greek migrant camps facing explosive new problems, a top EU legal adviser said Thursday that Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic broke European Union law by refusing to comply with a refugee quota program meant to address such challenges.

Oooh, European Union law! How scary. Are they going to send EU police officers into Poland? Is the EU military going to overthrow Prague?

See, this is exactly why Boris Johnson and BREXIT won at the ballot box: Because the average Brit, faced with the prospect of having to take in even more of Africa and the Middle East's human refuse, responded with a single-digit salute ... and a simpler answer to the EU's migrant crisis: "Send them all back!"

[Nicole]

Great to read, 4E and Bogan. Good stuff.

[Bogan]

Hi Nicole. Any chance of getting a lefty better than Brian? He is just too easy.

Briney wrote

I am unsure why you are mixing the Westminster system with the EU system. They are two completely separate political systems - which for the moment are connected but as we all know, that is about to end. Like a typical Ignorant American, I expect you believe that the Queen rules the UK and controls the Government

Stereotyping and racism against Americans again, briney? tsk tsk. You are developing yankophobia. That one goes into your ever growing "clangers" file.

How is it that you can not see your own racism, Briney? For a smart bloke you sure do stupid things.