Ukraine was all about rare earth minerals

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Re: Ukraine was all about rare earth minerals

Post by tllwd » Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:36 am

Many countries in Europe have the F-35 stealth fighter bomber aircraft
including the UK, Holland, Finland, Italy, Poland, Greece, Norway, Denmark etc.

Why haven't any of them secretly used their F-35s to help Ukraine?
F-35 looks good in propaganda media but has too many problems in reality.

On October 25 and 26, 2024, Israel used F-35to conduct a series of airstrikes against key Iranian military sites in retaliation for a large-scale missile escalation initiated by Tehran.

However, despite the scale and intensity of Israel’s airstrikes, the effects were far less impactful than initially anticipated. The damage inflicted on the Iranian military infrastructure was minimal, raising suspicions about the effectiveness of the Israeli attack. Many analysts were puzzled by the relatively restrained outcome of the operation, given that Israeli forces reportedly deployed around 100 advanced fighter jets.

New information has surfaced, indicating that the primary factor behind the limited impact of Israel’s strikes may have been Iran’s advanced air defense systems.
Israeli intelligence has pointed to Iran’s air defense capabilities as the key reason for the restricted effect of the airstrikes on October 25 and 26. Specifically, it is suggested that Iran’s air defense systems successfully thwarted the attack launched by Israeli fighter jets, particularly the advanced F-35 Adir aircraft.
Iran possesses a range of air defense systems capable of targeting advanced aircraft like the F-35. One of the most prominent systems is the S-300. This Russian-made missile defense system is capable of detecting and tracking stealth aircraft at considerable distances. The S-300 can “lock on” targets such as the F-35, using radar and missile complexes to cover large swaths of airspace.
reports suggest that Israeli F-35s were “jammed” by Iranian air defense radars while flying over Iraqi airspace, far from their intended targets in Iran. These sources claim that, at this point, the Israeli jets were still hundreds of kilometers away from the Iranian border. The ability of Iran’s air defense systems to detect the Israeli jets at such a distance was an unexpected development for Israeli military planners.

Israeli intelligence sources have indicated that Russian and Iranian air defense systems are capable of targeting Israeli jets at long ranges, potentially intercepting them well before they enter Iranian airspace.

Russia has more advanced S-500 now.

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Re: Ukraine was all about rare earth minerals

Post by tllwd » Fri Mar 21, 2025 12:14 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Thu Mar 20, 2025 4:10 pm
175 for 175. A much fairer deal than the 3 for 100 deal between Israel and Hamas. That was ridiculous.
My friend from Israel explains it:
Actually, there is nothing surprising in the fact that it is Hamas that dictates its terms, since Israel has no real leverage over the Arabs. Israel's concessions under the initial terms of the exchange deal were too inadequate, and Hamas understands too well the strength of the internal Israeli pressure on Netanyahu from supporters of the "at any price" deal.

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Re: Ukraine was all about rare earth minerals

Post by Bobby » Fri Mar 21, 2025 1:09 pm

tllwd wrote:
Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:36 am
Many countries in Europe have the F-35 stealth fighter bomber aircraft
including the UK, Holland, Finland, Italy, Poland, Greece, Norway, Denmark etc.

Why haven't any of them secretly used their F-35s to help Ukraine?
F-35 looks good in propaganda media but has too many problems in reality.

On October 25 and 26, 2024, Israel used F-35to conduct a series of airstrikes against key Iranian military sites in retaliation for a large-scale missile escalation initiated by Tehran.

However, despite the scale and intensity of Israel’s airstrikes, the effects were far less impactful than initially anticipated. The damage inflicted on the Iranian military infrastructure was minimal, raising suspicions about the effectiveness of the Israeli attack. Many analysts were puzzled by the relatively restrained outcome of the operation, given that Israeli forces reportedly deployed around 100 advanced fighter jets.

New information has surfaced, indicating that the primary factor behind the limited impact of Israel’s strikes may have been Iran’s advanced air defense systems.
Israeli intelligence has pointed to Iran’s air defense capabilities as the key reason for the restricted effect of the airstrikes on October 25 and 26. Specifically, it is suggested that Iran’s air defense systems successfully thwarted the attack launched by Israeli fighter jets, particularly the advanced F-35 Adir aircraft.
Iran possesses a range of air defense systems capable of targeting advanced aircraft like the F-35. One of the most prominent systems is the S-300. This Russian-made missile defense system is capable of detecting and tracking stealth aircraft at considerable distances. The S-300 can “lock on” targets such as the F-35, using radar and missile complexes to cover large swaths of airspace.
reports suggest that Israeli F-35s were “jammed” by Iranian air defense radars while flying over Iraqi airspace, far from their intended targets in Iran. These sources claim that, at this point, the Israeli jets were still hundreds of kilometers away from the Iranian border. The ability of Iran’s air defense systems to detect the Israeli jets at such a distance was an unexpected development for Israeli military planners.

Israeli intelligence sources have indicated that Russian and Iranian air defense systems are capable of targeting Israeli jets at long ranges, potentially intercepting them well before they enter Iranian airspace.

Russia has more advanced S-500 now.
So you are saying that the F-35 is not truly a stealth aircraft?

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Re: Ukraine was all about rare earth minerals

Post by tllwd » Fri Mar 21, 2025 2:09 pm

Bobby wrote:
Fri Mar 21, 2025 1:09 pm
tllwd wrote:
Fri Mar 21, 2025 11:36 am
Many countries in Europe have the F-35 stealth fighter bomber aircraft
including the UK, Holland, Finland, Italy, Poland, Greece, Norway, Denmark etc.

Why haven't any of them secretly used their F-35s to help Ukraine?
F-35 looks good in propaganda media but has too many problems in reality.

On October 25 and 26, 2024, Israel used F-35to conduct a series of airstrikes against key Iranian military sites in retaliation for a large-scale missile escalation initiated by Tehran.

However, despite the scale and intensity of Israel’s airstrikes, the effects were far less impactful than initially anticipated. The damage inflicted on the Iranian military infrastructure was minimal, raising suspicions about the effectiveness of the Israeli attack. Many analysts were puzzled by the relatively restrained outcome of the operation, given that Israeli forces reportedly deployed around 100 advanced fighter jets.

New information has surfaced, indicating that the primary factor behind the limited impact of Israel’s strikes may have been Iran’s advanced air defense systems.
Israeli intelligence has pointed to Iran’s air defense capabilities as the key reason for the restricted effect of the airstrikes on October 25 and 26. Specifically, it is suggested that Iran’s air defense systems successfully thwarted the attack launched by Israeli fighter jets, particularly the advanced F-35 Adir aircraft.
Iran possesses a range of air defense systems capable of targeting advanced aircraft like the F-35. One of the most prominent systems is the S-300. This Russian-made missile defense system is capable of detecting and tracking stealth aircraft at considerable distances. The S-300 can “lock on” targets such as the F-35, using radar and missile complexes to cover large swaths of airspace.
reports suggest that Israeli F-35s were “jammed” by Iranian air defense radars while flying over Iraqi airspace, far from their intended targets in Iran. These sources claim that, at this point, the Israeli jets were still hundreds of kilometers away from the Iranian border. The ability of Iran’s air defense systems to detect the Israeli jets at such a distance was an unexpected development for Israeli military planners.

Israeli intelligence sources have indicated that Russian and Iranian air defense systems are capable of targeting Israeli jets at long ranges, potentially intercepting them well before they enter Iranian airspace.

Russia has more advanced S-500 now.
So you are saying that the F-35 is not truly a stealth aircraft?
Yes, in fact there is no such think as absolutely truly stealth.

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Re: Ukraine was all about rare earth minerals

Post by tllwd » Fri Mar 21, 2025 4:25 pm

F-35 had its first flight in 2006.
S-400 went into service in 2007 with specifically designed anti stealth capability
S-500 went into service in 2021

F-35A is certified as nuclear capable so when aircraft like that detected attacking in stealth mode it is casus belli for using nukes against country it came from.

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Re: Ukraine was all about rare earth minerals

Post by Bobby » Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:42 pm

tllwd wrote:
Fri Mar 21, 2025 4:25 pm
F-35 had its first flight in 2006.
S-400 went into service in 2007 with specifically designed anti stealth capability
S-500 went into service in 2021

F-35A is certified as nuclear capable so when aircraft like that detected attacking in stealth mode
it is casus belli for using nukes against country it came from.
I doubt that - another red line from Putin. :roll:

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Re: Ukraine was all about rare earth minerals

Post by Bobby » Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:59 pm

https://defence-blog.com/western-tech-f ... -70-drone/


The sanctions aren't working.

Western tech found in downed Russian S-70 drone

News Aviation

Nov 11, 2024


Western manufacturers such as
Analog Devices, Texas Instruments, and Xilinx-AMD from the United States,
as well as Infineon Technologies from Germany and STMicroelectronics from Switzerland.

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Re: Ukraine was all about rare earth minerals

Post by tllwd » Sun Mar 23, 2025 4:17 pm

Bobby wrote:
Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:42 pm
tllwd wrote:
Fri Mar 21, 2025 4:25 pm
F-35 had its first flight in 2006.
S-400 went into service in 2007 with specifically designed anti stealth capability
S-500 went into service in 2021

F-35A is certified as nuclear capable so when aircraft like that detected attacking in stealth mode
it is casus belli for using nukes against country it came from.
I doubt that - another red line from Putin. :roll:
Putin's red lines.
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Re: Ukraine was all about rare earth minerals

Post by tllwd » Sun Mar 23, 2025 4:24 pm

Bobby wrote:
Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:59 pm
https://defence-blog.com/western-tech-f ... -70-drone/
The sanctions aren't working.
Western tech found in downed Russian S-70 drone
News Aviation
Nov 11, 2024
Western manufacturers such as
Analog Devices, Texas Instruments, and Xilinx-AMD from the United States,
as well as Infineon Technologies from Germany and STMicroelectronics from Switzerland.
Even more Western tech found in trophies exhibitions displayed in Russian towns.


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Re: Ukraine was all about rare earth minerals

Post by Bobby » Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:58 am

This is not good news for Ukraine:

Ukraine is having trouble getting Patriot missiles and systems
to defend themselves from Russian attacks.
Trump wants Ukraine to get them from Europe which is not that likely.
https://kyivindependent.com/trump-agree ... ouse-says/
Trump agrees to help Ukraine find available Patriot air defense systems in Europe, White House says
The only alternative is the Euopean SAMP/T system but -
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2025/03/1 ... erves-low/
Rome can’t supply more SAMP/T missiles to Kyiv, reserves low
But the SAMP/T systems are not as good as the patriot.
https://meta-defense.fr/en/2025/03/12/s ... n-ukraine/
SAMP/T accused of inferior performance to Patriot in Ukraine by the US press

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