Putin Doesn’t Mourn the West: He Now Has China

[Black Orchid]

Ok I am not getting hissy but you are exaggerating

First of all the ISIS brides and kids, we havent even accepted them yet but knowing our brown nosed christian Prime Minister we will suck up to Trump and allow them to come . I would tell Donald to jam all of the murdering bastards up his clacker.

Now even if we did, how many are there five or six hundred or something in a country of 25million that accepts around 190,000 migrants each year its hardly going to sink medicare and the same goes for about the 17000 refugees, which would have an impact but not all of them are non contributors and I think our migrant intake may be adjusted down because of them.

Regarding the health care I was referring to Countries like Britain, Australia, NZ and a lot of the western european countries that have universal health care systems that largely look after all citizens not necessarily what one would call socialist at all.

I think your suggesting Venezuala was rather a nonsense as I was not thinking of using basket case corrupt countries as an example, surprised you didnt suggest Zimbabwe LOL !

Anyway end of my comments ..... have a nice day

Of course I am exaggerating but with the alt leftard socialist agenda of open borders and everything 'free' it will become a reality and also remember that the US has something like 11 million illegals which is almost half the population of Australia. That's a lot of 'freebies'.

Over the past couple of decades we have taken in hundreds of thousands on family and non skilled visa grants many of whom will be perpetually welfare dependent. I am all for universal health cover and pensions for Australians who have worked, contributed and paid taxes but I am not for importing welfare dependent third worlders who are now infesting some of our cities with their guns and their crime.

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[sprintcyclist]

Ok I am not getting hissy but you are exaggerating

First of all the ISIS brides and kids, we havent even accepted them yet but knowing our brown nosed christian Prime Minister we will suck up to Trump and allow them to come . I would tell Donald to jam all of the murdering bastards up his clacker.

Now even if we did, how many are there five or six hundred or something in a country of 25million that accepts around 190,000 migrants each year its hardly going to sink medicare and the same goes for about the 17000 refugees, which would have an impact but not all of them are non contributors and I think our migrant intake may be adjusted down because of them.

Regarding the health care I was referring to Countries like Britain, Australia, NZ and a lot of the western european countries that have universal health care systems that largely look after all citizens not necessarily what one would call socialist at all.

I think your suggesting Venezuala was rather a nonsense as I was not thinking of using basket case corrupt countries as an example, surprised you didnt suggest Zimbabwe LOL !

Anyway end of my comments ..... have a nice day

Of course I am exaggerating but with the alt leftard socialist agenda of open borders and everything 'free' it will become a reality and also remember that the US has something like 11 million illegals which is almost half the population of Australia. That's a lot of 'freebies'.

Over the past couple of decades we have taken in hundreds of thousands on family and non skilled visa grants many of whom will be perpetually welfare dependent. I am all for universal health cover and pensions for Australians who have worked, contributed and paid taxes but I am not for importing welfare dependent third worlders who are now infesting some of our cities with their guns and their crime.

I agree

[Valkie]

Ok I am not getting hissy but you are exaggerating

First of all the ISIS brides and kids, we havent even accepted them yet but knowing our brown nosed christian Prime Minister we will suck up to Trump and allow them to come . I would tell Donald to jam all of the murdering bastards up his clacker.

Now even if we did, how many are there five or six hundred or something in a country of 25million that accepts around 190,000 migrants each year its hardly going to sink medicare and the same goes for about the 17000 refugees, which would have an impact but not all of them are non contributors and I think our migrant intake may be adjusted down because of them.

Regarding the health care I was referring to Countries like Britain, Australia, NZ and a lot of the western european countries that have universal health care systems that largely look after all citizens not necessarily what one would call socialist at all.

I think your suggesting Venezuala was rather a nonsense as I was not thinking of using basket case corrupt countries as an example, surprised you didnt suggest Zimbabwe LOL !

Anyway end of my comments ..... have a nice day

Of course I am exaggerating but with the alt leftard socialist agenda of open borders and everything 'free' it will become a reality and also remember that the US has something like 11 million illegals which is almost half the population of Australia. That's a lot of 'freebies'.

Over the past couple of decades we have taken in hundreds of thousands on family and non skilled visa grants many of whom will be perpetually welfare dependent. I am all for universal health cover and pensions for Australians who have worked, contributed and paid taxes but I am not for importing welfare dependent third worlders who are now infesting some of our cities with their guns and their crime.

I agree

100 PERCENT

[Fred]

I think this is some interesting perspectives. BUT I would consider them to be shallow evaluation on the subject. Russia has always held better relations with China than it has with the rest of the world.

No it hasn't. After the 1956 denunciation of Stalin by Kruschev, relations with China plummeted. Mao took it as a personal affront and severed relations with the fUSSR. So much so that the US was able to take advantage of it in 1972 when Nixon went to Beijing and met with Mao. Since then, the relations between Moscow and Beijing have basically been frosty, at best. After the collapse of the fUSSR in 1992, their relationship improved but it still remained distant. China basically took what it wanted, paid cash for it and then copied it to it's heart to content (ie the Sukhoi Su-27 and developments spring to mind in the aeronautical/defence field, while the ex-Soviet carriers Minsk, Kiev and Varyag are evident on the shipping side, with Varyag being refitted as the Liaoning). Since then, their relationship has been basically cordial but somewhat distant.

God I wish I had more time, But Yes that is about the sum of history. However, Russia still has held better relations.

I think BO makes the interesting point, is Russia bowing to China's whims???

While there has been friction and many political issues, Russia still remains to have better relations with China than any other nation in the world. It matters not how China trades with Putin, the point is they ARE trading with Russia.

At present, the one and only assured point is that Russia has the will to align itself to China in most aspects. Militarily and trade over any other nation.

I hope to get back on the weekend and discuss this, I really enjoy such musing.

[Bogan]

Redneck wrote

I would tell Donald to jam all of the murdering bastards up his clacker.

Don't tell your chardonnay sucking trendy lefty mates that you would prevent ISIS terrorists from returning Redneck, or you will charged with conduct unbecoming an ideological zealot. As a card carrying trendy lefty, you are supposed to support traitors like David Hicks and stick up for imported Al Qaida terrorists like Mamdouth Habib. You must have missed that lesson when you did your Trendy lefty induction. Oh, and don't forget to whine about how terrible the USA mistreats those poor terrorists in Guantanamo Bay.

[Fred]

If you consider the relations of Russia around the world we have to consider what aspects we are talking. Such as economic, military or governance could easily determine where allegiances lay. If we take the entire issue and consider the diplomatic relations between China and Russia the ups and downs over the last 60yrs have been extremely interesting. I would also consider the efforts of Western society to undermine the relationship between the two nations as being detrimental to the past relationship issues.

However, China has been the military alliance Russia has used to help create the position it now dwells internationally. Even though China has at times (and still does) manipulated the relations in its favour, we could consider who else Russia aligns itself with. The Middle East has become, somewhat, nation building exercise for Putin to create alternative relations from the US. This has created a situation where a relative small economic nation stands opposing one of the biggest in the world with the support of China, a fast growing economy.

The EU has been constantly pressuring both China and Russia to join while playing petty political games to try bring such membership about. Both nations have remained the stalwarts of UE membership and growth even though they both remain as needed trading partners. This has put both nation on the same course in these matters and the demonstration of when the Ukraine wanted to change its economic relations to EU brought about conflict. China has continued to secure its relationship with nations outside the EU as to prevent infliction of EU policy. This has also continued to bring both nations together.

So, it is interesting to note that China has continue to use their economy to buy the interest of nations. Lending money for projects, embedding their relations into outside nations for increased favour. So the question of China playing Putin is decent summery, and should be considered. I still would consider both nations working for their own interests while dealing with each other.

So all in all, while diplomacy and economy has been strained at times, their military alliances have remained the strongest between the nations. When considering the relations between the nations in comparison to other nations, the measure needs to be considered. I would suggest that would be the military aspect, while others consider economy.

[brian ross]

Russia and China have only re-entered a military alliance in the last 10 years. Before that, the break of 1956 was still in force - which I have already explained.

The break was so deep that during the Cultural Revolution, logistics between Russia and North Vietnam were interrupted when Red Guard led mobs attacked and pillaged trains running to Hanoi across China. So much so, that Russia turned to the use of merchant ships to carry it on, which of course, provided an opening to the US to engage in the mining of Haiphong harbour. One of the things that forced Hanoi to the negotiating table, along with the Christmas bombing.

Russia and China still have a great deal of enmity to overcome. A great deal. They are closer than they have been in the previous 40 years but aren't the bosom pals that you appear to believe.

[Fred]

Russia and China have only re-entered a military alliance in the last 10 years. Before that, the break of 1956 was still in force - which I have already explained.

The break was so deep that during the Cultural Revolution, logistics between Russia and North Vietnam were interrupted when Red Guard led mobs attacked and pillaged trains running to Hanoi across China. So much so, that Russia turned to the use of merchant ships to carry it on, which of course, provided an opening to the US to engage in the mining of Haiphong harbour. One of the things that forced Hanoi to the negotiating table, along with the Christmas bombing.

Russia and China still have a great deal of enmity to overcome. A great deal. They are closer than they have been in the previous 40 years but aren't the bosom pals that you appear to believe.

It isn't that that they are so close friends it is that they have maintained closer ties than any other nation. You have to understand, that if war had broken out any time in the past (as it did) Russia and China would be allies well before any other nation. Russia and China turn to each other to trade before turning to any other nation.

To now act surprised that they are improving relations due to history, belies the entirety of the past relations. Their united stance against the EU expansionism and their relations with other nations.

I have never deluded myself that both these nations (as in all nation) are only interest it what promotes their own nation. Anybody who is deluded to consider that they nations work together because they are friends is simply single minded moronic…