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Re: Aeroponics

Post by BigP » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:15 pm

sprintcyclist wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:02 pm
BigP wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:43 pm
There are a few issues with areoponics, all your containers need to be light proof, all your spray nozzles need to remain clean or they will not create the mist required, this will require a comprehensive filtration system, and as with nft you will probably need to run the system 24/7,

This does not mean its a bad system , But possibly one thats lends its self more to a comercial operation
Thanks, yes, I think aeroponics is more suited to a commercial operation.

My problem with growing food is watering it at the right time. We just don't do it.
Am thinking of a timed mist spray system inside a greenhouse. make it as automated as possible.
House the sprayers inside on the greenhouse framework. Time the misters to come on say twice a day every day, 2 minutes per
are you running your system from the mains pressure ?

Sprint , go for the nft aggregate system, you can probably get away with only running your pump for three hours a day, probably a 70watt pump , , because the aggregate holds the solution and stops it from drying out, you will only need to exsperiment with the frequency and length of the watering cycle. You dont run your solution to waste, cycle it back into a tank and check the strength and the PH every couple of days and make adustments as needed . These sytems are the most efficient uses of water

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Re: Aeroponics

Post by sprintcyclist » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:28 pm

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Re: Aeroponics

Post by BigP » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:00 pm

sprintcyclist wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:28 pm
https://www.hoselink.com.au/buy/total-m ... gIia_D_BwE

How is that ?
It would appear that you have your heart set on aeroponics,, The other options are more simple and more forgiving ,

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Re: Aeroponics

Post by BigP » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:04 pm

BigP wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:00 pm
sprintcyclist wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:28 pm
https://www.hoselink.com.au/buy/total-m ... gIia_D_BwE

How is that ?
It would appear that you have your heart set on aeroponics,, The other options are more simple and more forgiving ,And the link you posted is only for a misting system , it will mist water from your mains. How do you intend to supply your plants with nutients ??

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Re: Aeroponics

Post by BigP » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:16 pm

Sprint, if you decide to go with aero, let me know, I will set a simple nft sytem and we will have a little a look at which one works the best, post a few pics on PA ?

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Re: Aeroponics

Post by sprintcyclist » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:40 pm

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Sprint, if you decide to go with aero, let me know, I will set a simple nft sytem and we will have a little a look at which one works the best, post a few pics on PA ?
I research things pretty well before trying them out. A thorough investigation for me is a lot of fun.
This is what I have thought about the aeroponics .......


1/ Better if it is plumbed into low pressure mains water so the water vessel does not run dry.
With a float valve setup like a toilet. This will protect your pump from running dry and the plants from drying out.
2/ Pump to be turned on for 20 seconds every hour or so on a timer. Something like that.
3/ As the water is being continually recycled it should be tested daily. For temperature, pH, nutrients available.
This will be the most labour intensive part of the system. This will be more important than it sounds.
If plants have water too hot or too cold sprayed onto their roots they will not like it.
If plants have water too acidic sprayed onto their roots they will not like it.
If plants have water with no phosphorus sprayed onto their roots when they are trying to fruit there will be no fruit.
4/ Probably have one of these systems inside a glass/green house would be more controlled.
5/ Plants that fruit (tomatoes, cucumbers) will need physical support for the weight of the fruit.
6/ The 'chamber' could be food safe plastic. HDPE.
7/ The water should be kept in a dark area to stop algae growth
8/ The spray nozzles could be from irrigation systems. LLDPE tubing and John Guest fittings are very good.
9/ I could see it working with leafy crops/herbs on a large commercial basis.

For me, I see a misting system using just water inside a greenhouse is viable.
Out it on a timer, every 12 or 6 hours for a minute or 2.
For feeding will to it manually. this is also a flaw in our methodology.

Any ideas on that ?
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Re: Aeroponics

Post by BigP » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:44 pm

1/ Better if it is plumbed into low pressure mains water so the water vessel does not run dry

This is also good for any system, if there is a power failure, have a normaly closed solanoid valve, if there is a power cut it will open and circulate fresh water through the system

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Re: Aeroponics

Post by BigP » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:54 pm

""2/ Pump to be turned on for 20 seconds every hour or so on a timer. Something like that.""

Not enough Sprint , an nft system wouldnt survive on that, aeroponics is a fringe hobyist system. good luck with it,and as I have said lets put it to the test. You have got my uices flowin lol

My laptop has a ew keys that are not working ,it has made this rather rustrating Cheres mate Bring on the challenge lol

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Re: Aeroponics

Post by BigP » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:57 pm

sprintcyclist wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:40 pm
BigP wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:16 pm
Sprint, if you decide to go with aero, let me know, I will set a simple nft sytem and we will have a little a look at which one works the best, post a few pics on PA ?
I research things pretty well before trying them out. A thorough investigation for me is a lot of fun.
This is what I have thought about the aeroponics .......


1/ Better if it is plumbed into low pressure mains water so the water vessel does not run dry.
With a float valve setup like a toilet. This will protect your pump from running dry and the plants from drying out.
2/ Pump to be turned on for 20 seconds every hour or so on a timer. Something like that.
3/ As the water is being continually recycled it should be tested daily. For temperature, pH, nutrients available.
This will be the most labour intensive part of the system. This will be more important than it sounds.
If plants have water too hot or too cold sprayed onto their roots they will not like it.
If plants have water too acidic sprayed onto their roots they will not like it.
If plants have water with no phosphorus sprayed onto their roots when they are trying to fruit there will be no fruit.
4/ Probably have one of these systems inside a glass/green house would be more controlled.
5/ Plants that fruit (tomatoes, cucumbers) will need physical support for the weight of the fruit.
6/ The 'chamber' could be food safe plastic. HDPE.
7/ The water should be kept in a dark area to stop algae growth
8/ The spray nozzles could be from irrigation systems. LLDPE tubing and John Guest fittings are very good.
9/ I could see it working with leafy crops/herbs on a large commercial basis.

For me, I see a misting system using just water inside a greenhouse is viable.
Out it on a timer, every 12 or 6 hours for a minute or 2.
For feeding will to it manually. this is also a flaw in our methodology.

Any ideas on that ?

Its not a very technical list you have there Sprint ,it has a layman quality to it

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Re: Aeroponics

Post by BigP » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:00 pm

""for me, I see a misting system using just water inside a greenhouse is viable.""

If you are watering your plants from the outside, Then YES,


If you are intending to feed them, then NO

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