Dealing with troublemakers in asylum seeker detention

[Rainbow Moonlight]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 6047268716

In this article it says:

On Tuesday, Mr Bowen announced that anyone who committed an offence in immigration detention would fail the "character" test and would not be given a permanent visa under proposed changes to the legislation.

Good idea i think- I am pleased to see it. What do you think?

[Jovial Monk]

They should be speedily deported!

Let us not bring back those vile TPVs, leave that sort of shit to the Libs, they seem to love the smell of shit. Libs these days have no regard for the individual anymore. Between neocon and extreme Catholic beliefs vile shit like leaving Australians languishing in gitmo for years and years, vile shit like TPVs, WorkChoices etc it is clear they only care for corporations and ideology.

[Rainbow Moonlight]

A bit further in the article it talks about international obligations. I gather we can meet them if we grant them temp visas subject to good conduct or something. But yes- why should any country have to take in people who are violent and /or rapists because of an international obligation which is aimed at protecting people? Doesn't make sense. Maybe there should be an International prison to send them to.

[Jovial Monk]

We have no obligation to take in troublemakers and criminals.

[lisa jones]

We have no obligation to take in troublemakers and criminals.

A fundamental and generic principle which should apply to any community .. be it real or virtual IMO.

[Rainbow Moonlight]

The Refugees Convention

Australia is one of 147 signatory countries to the Refugees Convention.

The Refugees Convention defines a refugee as a person who:

* is outside their country of nationality or their usual country of residence
* is unable or unwilling to return or to seek the protection of that country due to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion
* is not a war criminal and has not committed any serious non-political crimes or acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

The Refugees Convention does not oblige signatory countries to provide protection to people who do not fear persecution and have left their country of nationality or residence on the basis of war, famine, environmental collapse or in order to seek economic opportunities.

Protection obligations may also not be owed to a person who already has effective protection in another country, through citizenship or some other right to enter and remain safe in that country.

International law recognises that people at risk of persecution have a right to flee their country and seek refuge elsewhere, but does not give them a right to enter a country of which they are not a national. Nor do refugees have a right to choose their preferred country of protection.

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/61asylum.htm

[Aussie]

Deal with them according to Law, simple. If I damage property, I would be charged with doing so, taken before a Court, and sentenced. No reason why these people should not be dealt with the same way.

[Jovial Monk]

Their residency status is not yet determined so normal criminal proceedings don’t apply. Deportation is the answer.

OTOH, claims should be quickly processed WTF Ruddy was doing suspending processing of claims?

[Aussie]

Their residency status is not yet determined so normal criminal proceedings don’t apply.

Of course they apply. These people are on Australian soil, and are subject to our various Criminal Codes. As a wild, yet telling example, if they killed another inside a Detention Centre, do you reckon they would be charged with murder under the Laws of whatever State the Centre was situate?

Of course they would.

[lisa jones]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/n ... 6044726193

Any asylum seeker convicted of a crime while in detention will fail the Government's character test and almost certainly face deportation, as part of proposed changes to the Migration Act announced today by Immigration Minister Chris Bowen.

Mr Monk .. our laws do apply.