Leaked caucus minutes revealed Gillard urged death of ETS

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Leaked caucus minutes revealed Gillard urged death of ETS

Post by mellie » Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:29 am

KEVIN Rudd's regret over shelving his emissions trading scheme was first revealed in The Australian last year in leaked minutes from the last caucus chaired by the now-deposed prime minister.

Mr Rudd, who on Monday admitted on national television it was "a mistake" for Labor to drop the ETS, used his speech to colleagues on the day he was dumped as party leader to acknowledge mistakes in three key policy areas of climate change, the mining tax and the failed Building the Education Revolution program.

The caucus minutes record Mr Rudd as saying: "As you know, I changed our position on the emissions trading scheme and I'm responsible for that change in position. This was a collective decision, a decision which, however, for which I am responsible."

Speaking on the ABC's Q&A program on Monday night, Mr Rudd, now Foreign Minister, said he had made the wrong call to abandon his ETS plan.

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He said there were people in the party who wanted to kill off the idea, and others who advocated delay.

"I tried to find a way up the middle of all that, preserve the unity of the government," Mr Rudd said. "On balance, it was the wrong call. We should have simply tried to sail straight ahead."

Mr Rudd did not specifically suggest Julia Gillard, as Mr Rudd's deputy, had lobbied heavily for the switch.

However, the caucus minutes, reported in The Australian last November, reveal a different story.

"I wish to place on record here that Lindsay Tanner and Penny Wong strongly argued to me against taking that position. Equally strong was the advice from Wayne and Julia that the emissions trading scheme had to be abandoned," Mr Rudd said at the time.

The Prime Minister, who is facing a lengthy battle on her proposed carbon tax, yesterday refused to confirm she urged her predecessor to kill off the ETS. "I do not believe that it's proper to discuss confidential discussions between cabinet colleagues," she said.

"But I have always believed that we needed to tackle climate change."

The opposition said Mr Rudd's breach of cabinet confidentiality was a job application for a second tilt at the Labor leadership.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 6034311115


Can any of you out-line the key-differences between Rudds ETS and Gillards Carbon-Tax for me?


To date, not even Gillard herself has taken the ETS -vrs- Carbon-tax 'difference' challenge, despite being asked to list the differences by many eager to learn of these themselves.

Lets outline the similarities instead then...

-Both are a UN 21 agenda to get more bums on bicycles and cars off the road. Great if you live in the city, bad if you have to rely on public transport.

-Both come with the 10% UN tax gift.

-Both are set to cripple Australia's manufacturing industry, will cost jobs, and further increase the soaring costs of living.

-Both are limited in that they only address carbon as a toxic environmental pollutant, when there are more harmful chemicals in our environment not being addressed.

-Both came with BHP's corporate backing, are a fascist left-wing socialist "distribute-the-wealth" policy endorsed by Australia's largest mining giant in exchange for "alternative" mining expansion rights eg Uranium down at Olympic dam.

-Both were/are based on unpolished scientific AGW theory, still being scrutinised by our worlds leading scientists.
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Aussie

Re: Leaked caucus minutes revealed Gillard urged death of ETS

Post by Aussie » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:21 pm

Where is the link to these "Caucus Minutes," mellie?

al.coholic

Re: Leaked caucus minutes revealed Gillard urged death of ETS

Post by al.coholic » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:23 pm

gillards a dead duck


she knows it

rudd knows it

but rudd is also a dead duck

but he dont know it

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Re: Leaked caucus minutes revealed Gillard urged death of ETS

Post by mellie » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:54 pm

Aussie wrote:Where is the link to these "Caucus Minutes," mellie?


It's already been confirmed, they didn't deny it at the time when the press gallery got hold of a copy of the caucus minutes.. and they aren't denying it now.

Get this!!! :roll:

Yet here we still have our skull-fucked lefties who despite Abbott having stood there and said "Work choices is dead and buried",no less than 50 times... this and practically signed it with his own blood by way of contract...yet they still had the temerity to allude otherwise, persist with the false statements just as they are here again when they think they can use/manipulate the press to answer their 'dead and buried' caucus questions for them and let the public deduce from the cryptic anecdotes, remnants what they will?

See, we are still waiting for the real Julia Gillard to stand up, this and deliver the transparent and accountable government she faithfully promised she would.

She cant blame the greens for this one... her having advised Rudd to kill the ETS because she herself didn't believe in it at the time is a fact.


Face it, not only is she a liar, shes quite possibly the worst liar I have ever seen, is really really bad at it.


:D
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al.coholic

Re: Leaked caucus minutes revealed Gillard urged death of ETS

Post by al.coholic » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:57 pm

mellie wrote: Yet here we still have our skull-fucked lefties


i really think that

thats really going overboard with fellatio

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Re: Leaked caucus minutes revealed Gillard urged death of ETS

Post by mellie » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:14 pm

Gillards not even trying, she knows it's just a formality, she's just drifting with the breeze, probably feeling quite disillusioned with her entire party and her appointment.

I actually feel sorry for her and Rudd to a degree, both have been used, abused, and spat out by the US c/o UN...and Labors faceless grunts. The Labor machine itself is finely tuned to serve another nation and meet it's global objectives, even her grass-roots socialists alliances wept the day Labor won the 2010 election they really didn't win and wouldn't have if the Greens had have kept to their own party's core-values and not sold their preference votes for a seat in the senate bankrolled by the very corps and their donations the Greens not all that long ago claimed to detest.


I guess Bob Browns brain transplant was a success then?

When it's apparent, the Greens are just not the Greens we once knew them to be.

Likewise with the Labor party that went to hell after Bob Hawke handed over to Keating, the prince of darkness himself.
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al.coholic

Re: Leaked caucus minutes revealed Gillard urged death of ETS

Post by al.coholic » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:16 pm

hey baby


you must be the boards chickee babe

want to wander down to the cess pool and have a few leg openers!

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Re: Leaked caucus minutes revealed Gillard urged death of ETS

Post by mellie » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:16 pm

al.coholic wrote:
mellie wrote: Yet here we still have our skull-fucked lefties


i really think that

thats really going overboard with fellatio
:lol:
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Re: Leaked caucus minutes revealed Gillard urged death of ETS

Post by mellie » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:22 pm

No...i'm the forum librarian....I even dress like one...on purpose, I am the anti-viagra, the anti-sexy, if you have a sex addiction, hire me, i'll cure it in 5 seconds flat.

I think you have confused me with Lisa, the forum horn-bag...I am just the dowdy old Librarian.... Shhhh

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al.coholic

Re: Leaked caucus minutes revealed Gillard urged death of ETS

Post by al.coholic » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:23 pm

bet you go off like a firecracker

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