The Death Penalty should be reintroduced.

[Bogan]

If a referendum was held tomorrow on whether the death penalty should be reintroduced, I personally think it would win in a landslide. This is why our political rulers will not give us this referenda. So much for democracy. So much for the idea that in a democracy, "governments rule by the assent of the people they rule". No wonder people voted for Trump and Brexit. Western world electorates are waking up to the fact that they are now being ruled by an inbred Tweedledee/Tweedledum political class, which although they claim to have diverse policies between respective parties, in fact have a great deal of consensus among themselves as to their values and common interests. And these new aristocrats have no qualms at all about imposing their minority beliefs on their own electors, who they know reject them.

There are many reasons why the death penalty should be reintroduced.

1. The first is, that there exists within every society a tiny minority which is responsible for most of the very serious crimes of violence. These violent and extremely dangerous criminals re-offend and kill, over and over, and over again. Until they either die, or our legal system is finally forced to admit that they are unreformable. The NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics estimates that half of all prisoners released from NSW prisons reoffend within 12 months. Two thirds within 18 months. Thinning out the ranks of the worst repeat offenders would do wonders for our ever increasing crime and incarceration rates.

2. Many criminals today are committing pre planned crimes of such sadistic brutality on strangers and complete innocents that they have forfeited the right to walk this earth. Ivan Milat brutally murdered at least seven young men and women just for fun.

3. The death penalty should be automatic on any person who is convicted of murder, who upon serving their sentence, kills again. Such people are just too dangerous to allow to live. An example of such a criminal is mutilation murderer John Leslie Coombes, who was twice jailed for murder, twice paroled, and then killed for a third time.

In 1984 Coombes stabbed and killed Henry Raymond Kells, aged 44, at his home in Chelsea, Victoria. In December 1985 he was sentenced to "life" imprisonment, but this was later reduced to a minimum sentence of 11-years. He escaped from prison but was fortunately, quickly recaptured. Seven weeks after his release he was arrested for the 1984 murder of Michael Speirani. Coombes had murdered Speriani 9 months before murdering Kells. Coombes and an accomplice (Glen Conlon) murdered Speriani by taking him by boat owned by Coombes on a sea fishing trip, then throwing Speriani overboard to drown. The motive was apparently because Coombes coveted Speriani's car. Coombes mutilated Speriani's body by running him down with the boat so that the boats propellor would cut him to pieces and the "fish would finish the job." In 1998 Coombes received a 10-year minimum sentence and was paroled nine years later in 2007. After being sentenced to two "life" sentences and spending a total of 20 years in prison for two separate murders, he struck again. In 2009 Coombes strangled childcare worker Rachael Betts in Victoria and dismembered her body in a bathtub

4. The death penalty should also be imposed for very serious pre planned crimes like abduction, rape and murder. It should especially apply to the abduction and murder of children. To not apply this sensible penalty is to condemn to death more innocents.

In 1968, Peter Dupas became a rapist at 15 years of age, and he reoffended five years later. He was repeatedly arrested and sentenced to lenient terms for numerous sexual offences, sexual assaults, and rapes. These sexual attacks were becoming increasingly more violent as time went on, the tell tale signature of an emerging serial killer. Whenever Dupas was released, he immediately reoffended. In 1999, Dupas raped and murdered 28 year old Nicole Patterson, and 40 year old Margaret Maher, and was sentenced to "life" in jail. While in jail, the Victorian Police found out that he had committed another murder, that of 25 year old Mersina Halvegis, and was the prime suspect in three more unsolved murders. Let's hope he does not escape and that this time"life" means exactly what the English language defines it to mean

Erich Turner was awarded the dubious honour of being the last person sentenced to death in NSW. In 1948, he strangled his 15 year old girlfriend to death, Claire Sullivan, in her family home. He then murdered her sleeping father with an axe. His death penalty was commuted to "life imprisonment", which every member of the public is resigned to know almost never means "life." Released in 1970, he stabbed to death 60 year old Harriet Field in her own home, as well as Harriet's 11 year old grandson, John Pitz, who heroically tried to defend his grandmother.

Daniel Miles was convicted of the murder of Yolande Michael after escaping from a NSW prison where he was serving time for the murder of 16 year old Donna Newland.

In the mid sixties, Leonard Keith Lawson was released from prison after abducting and murdering a 15 year old girl. While on parole he raped and murdered 15 year old Mary Jane Bower at Collaroy, in Sydney. With the police looking for him, he entered SCEGGS girls school in Bowral, and attempted to abduct a schoolgirl. In the struggle with a heroic teacher, he fired a sawn off rifle several times, wounding the female teacher and killing 15 year old Wendy Luscombe.

When Gordon Barry Hadlow was released from a Queensland prison after 22 years, for the rape and murder of a six year old girl, (Samantha Dorothy Bacon) he then abducted, raped, and murdered a 9 year old girl, Sharon Margaret Hamilton.

Leigh Robinson was sentenced to death for the stabbing murder of 17 year old shop assistant Valerie Dunn on June 8, 1968, in Melbourne. His sentence was commuted to 30 years jail after a mercy plea was accepted by the Victorian State government of the day. Released after 15 years, he continued his war on our society with convictions for rape, the sexual assault of two underage girls, breaking and entering, and theft. In 2008, Robinson murdered Tracey Greenbury, 32, after having an argument with her, then chasing the terrified woman down a street armed with a shotgun before literally blowing her head off in front of an elderly female neighbour.

Had these six rapist murderers been executed, several innocent young women and children would still be alive today. The attitude of the anti death penalty brigade is curious. The lives of the worst kinds of criminals are sacrosanct. Only the lives of the innocent are expendable. Capital punishment definitely stops repeat offenders.

My favourite candidate for execution is that sub human (William Mitchell) in Greenough, Western Australia who entered a family home (Greenough Family Massacre) very early one morning after axing to death a 15 year old boy (Daniel McKenzie) (who had walked outside to greet whoever it was who had entered the family driveway.) He then entered the boy’s mothers bedroom (31 year old Karen McKenzie) and axed the sleeping mother to death in her bed. He then raped her dead body. He then entered the room of a 7 year old girl (Amara McKenzie),and axed her to death. (Other details of her death were suppressed by the coroner.) He then entered the room of a 5 year old girl, (Katrina McKenzie) and axed her to death also. (Other details about her death were suppressed by the coroner.) He then went off to work like nothing had ever happened. You want this bastard to escape from prison and do it again to your wife and kids? Because some murderers have escaped from prison to kill again, and some have escaped from prison for the sole purpose that there was somebody outside of prison that they wanted to kill.

John Ernest Cribb. Cribb was on parole for armed robbery when he broke into the Connell family home in Baulkham Hills in north-west Sydney and kidnapped Valda Connell, 39, and two of her six children, Sally, 10, and Damien, 4, in August 1978. After raping Valda he stabbed her to death, then stabbed to death Sally and Damien. Their bodies were found in a car boot near Swansea. Cribb then escaped with well-known criminal William John Munday from the Morisset Hospital for the criminally insane in April 1979, where he was awaiting trial for the murders. They became the most wanted men in the state. The pair committed 31 offences between them including the abduction and rapes of underage schoolgirls, assaults and robberies in Newcastle and Sydney before they were caught a couple of weeks later.

5. Serious drug traffickers. In Australia today, several hundred mostly young people are dying of heroin overdoses each year. Many more are turning into violent and untreatable psychiatric case addicts through barbituate drugs. If several hundred Australians were being killed every year by a foreign power, this country would be at war. We would do everything possible to kill our enemies and prevent these attacks upon our citizenry. We would blow our enemies to pieces, burn them to death with white phosphorous and napalm, shoot them, and bury them alive. Why do we not selectively use the death penalty upon the criminals who have declared war upon our society? The most amazing thing about serious criminal behaviour, is that most of it is committed by an almost insignificant part of our population who never stop their war on our society until they are dead.

As a former reserve soldier, I was given instruction on how to kill the enemies of my people. Many of the enemy soldiers that I was trained to kill, I know would be decent, brave men who like me were doing their duty. It beggars the mind of former soldiers for society to claim that it is OK to mow down brave enemy soldiers who fight you in uniform, man to man, and face to face. You can kill them by the thousands. Even in the tens of thousands. You can drop bombs on your enemies cities and kill millions of mostly enemy women, children and old people, and give medals to the bomber crews. But when it comes to terrorists, hired murderers, people who plant bombs in civilian airliners, child abductor rapist murderers, serial killers, mob bosses, drug traffickers of lethal and addictive mass killing drugs, and traitors, the taking of their worthless lives is considered a sin by people who seem to live their sheltered lives in a bubble.

6. Another reason for the death penalty is that is an effective tool for the fight against international and national organised crime. Hired murderers and their paymasters should be executed as there is no excuse for such behaviour. As for the crime bosses who order the executions, they too must be eradicated for the protection of our community. Failure to do so will see a situation develop where criminal bosses run their criminal organisations from jail, and order the execution of judges, prosecutors, politicians, journalists and witnesses. Worldwide, it has been found that it is impossible to prevent mobile phones from entering prisons, and crime bosses and bikie gang leaders in jail in Australia now routinely use mobile phones to order their gangs to murder people, intimidate witnesses, or run their drug empires from their prison cells. One Chinese company helpfully designs mobile phones to fit into human anus's, and they can be bought cheaply from Ebay. "Jamming" mobile phones in prisons has been found not to work reliably. Inmates always find the places within the jails that the jamming does not cover.

The murder of witnesses, judges, police officers, prosecutors, politicians and journalists is already happening in Italy, the USA, and many South American countries, and it is beginning to happen in Australia. The Calabrian mafia just keeps growing in this country and we can't kill it because we can't kill the vicious men who compose the mafia. Some Italian market gardeners and shopkeepers are now just slaves to the mafia that our "fair" legal system can not touch. The only government which ever really made a serious dent in the Mafia's operations was Mussolini's. Mussolini and his Fascist Party believed in the death penalty, and the Fascists used it frequently on the mafia people who themselves had good reason the believe that the death penalty is an effective way of controlling human behaviour. Both the mafia and the fascists were right.

The Mafia was ecstatically happy about the Allied liberation of Italy and the reimposition of a death penalty free justice system. The wise guys in the Mafia are now almost untouchable in western societies, excepting the USA which retains the death penalty. But the mafia could almost be considered gentlemen compared to the South American narcotrafficantes who are also setting up shop in Australia due to our insane immigration policies. The narcotrafficantes have the morality of piranhas and should better be described as narco-terrorists. Narcotrafficantes torture, rape and kill each others wives and kids, and also the wives and kids of anybody else who crosses them. Narcotrafficantes will be more successful than the Mafia in Australia because they are totally ruthless and our legal and punishment system is not geared to fight effectively against organised gangs of near insane psychopaths. Narcotrafficantes believe that the threat of death effectively controls human behaviour, and so should we.

7. Another class of candidates for capitol punishment are those who murder while still in jail. Between 1992-1994 Goulbourn Jail had seven murders in 2 years committed by inmates, on other inmates. The common response from these murderers is that they were in for "life" anyway, so they did not care. "Watcha gunna do? Give me life again?" These murderers have no fear of the consequences, because without a death penalty, there isn't any. Rescinding TV privileges is hardly a deterrent to murder. One victim was murdered by another inmate within Goulbourn Jail in a contract "hit". The price was a pack of cigarettes. Another inmate named "Singh" was murdered in another contract "hit", but the murderer botched the job and murdered the wrong "Singh". Having a more extreme punishment to hold over the heads of potential jail murderers would probably saved some inmates lives. It may even have saved the bashing of one Goulbourn warder, who was bashed so badly by inmates using clubs, that part of his brain was left on the ground after he was attended by paramedics.

Inmates who commit such crimes are extremely dangerous and almost impossible to control in jail. They know they are immune from punishment, and they make life hell for the warders who have to somehow control them. They also make the lives hell for other prisoners whom we as a society are supposed to protect during their confinement. Let us give back to our warders a real weapon they can use to control these extremely dangerous human predators. Kill or maim a prison officer or a police officer, and you will pay for your crime with your life.

8. Terrorism. It is ironic that the RAAF can effectively "execute" without trial "Australian" terrorists fighting for ISIS in Iraq using smart bombs, but our legal system is unable to execute "Australian" terrorists attempting to mass murder Australians in our own country. Take for example people who plant bombs on aircraft. Here in Australia, one pair of alleged terrorists have been arrested and charged with attempting to put a bomb disguised as a meat grinder onto an Etihad aircraft leaving Mascot airport. If they are convicted, they will simply swell the ever growing numbers of incarcerated Muslim terrorists costing the public $100,000 p.a. for their upkeep. Richard Read, the convicted "British" terrorist shoe bomber on a trans Atlantic aircraft, would have happily blown hundreds of men, women and children right out of the sky. It was estimated that most people not killed in the explosion would have fallen through the air for minutes before they impacted with the sea. Read wanted to kill innocents because he wanted to be a Muslim jihadi martyr, and be welcomed by Allah himself at the gates of paradise, along with 72 panting virgins.

As for making terrorists “martyrs”, the US is creating so many Islamic “martyrs” at the moment using Predator drone strikes that that Allah is running out of virgins. Terrorists executed as criminals make poor martyrs, but they make excellent examples to potential terrorists contemplating the idea of becoming terrorists. Terrorising terrorists by converting live terrorists into dead martyrs sounds like a great idea to me. And yes, we should bury the executed Muslim terrorists in pig skins. If we did that, we would instantly see a reaction from the entire Muslim world, who would be outraged at the way we treat their dead heroes. These jihadi heroes are simply following the clear instructions of their Koran and their Hadiths, to terrorise infidels into accepting Islam.

[Nom De Plume]

Blah, Blah, blah... Way too long...

Nonetheless, I also support the return of the death penalty.

[Bobby]

[brian ross]

The Death Penalty achieves nothing other than revenge on the person who is often purported to be the culprit of a crime.

As experience has shown, all too often in the rush to punish the culprit, the wrong person has been arrested, tried and convicted - often purely upon prejudge by the police and courts. The person might just be a black man in the wrong place at the wrong time and still he is nabbed and little real investigation is attempted.

Australia was founded because the Death Penalty was deemed too harsh and unfair in the UK in the latter half of the 18th century. Jurists correctly surmised that it was too widely applied and often unfairly used to condemn people who because of circumstance were forced to steal in order to live.

The Death Penalty fails to deter. No one has ever been deterred it seems by the application of the Death Penalty, much to the chagrin of it's champions.

The public in Australia has deemed that it is unfair, unjust and unnecessary. So Governments have complied with those wishes and removed it from the courts' ability to apply it.

All these reason are why the Death Penalty has been abandoned by Australian Governments. As much as those who advocate it, it's history is besmirched by too many mistakes, and too many innocent people being condemned to it.

[Valkie]

I'd vote yes

There is no cure for CULT fanatics
There is no cure for pedophiles
There is no cure for sociopaths

They are simply seriously twisted mentally ill abominations
It woukd be better for society, and even the turds themselves, to simply be put down.

Do it humanely, simply give them a full strength overdose of the drug of their choice.

Just think of the savings in incarceration of them

And the one definitive argument for putting them down

NO EXECUTED CRIMINAL, EVER, HAS RE-OFFENDED.

[Bobby]

The Death Penalty achieves nothing other than revenge on the person who is often purported to be the culprit of a crime.

As experience has shown, all too often in the rush to punish the culprit, the wrong person has been arrested, tried and convicted - often purely upon prejudge by the police and courts. The person might just be a black man in the wrong place at the wrong time and still he is nabbed and little real investigation is attempted.

Australia was founded because the Death Penalty was deemed too harsh and unfair in the UK in the latter half of the 18th century. Jurists correctly surmised that it was too widely applied and often unfairly used to condemn people who because of circumstance were forced to steal in order to live.

The Death Penalty fails to deter. No one has ever been deterred it seems by the application of the Death Penalty, much to the chagrin of it's champions.

The public in Australia has deemed that it is unfair, unjust and unnecessary. So Governments have complied with those wishes and removed it from the courts' ability to apply it.

All these reason are why the Death Penalty has been abandoned by Australian Governments. As much as those who advocate it, it's history is besmirched by too many mistakes, and too many innocent people being condemned to it.

What about the Bourke street massacre -
broad daylight and hundreds of eye witnesses?

[sprintcyclist]

Apparently the death penalty is not a deterrent and is very expensive to implement.

[Black Orchid]

Whilst I believe it isn't necessarily a deterrent I think for some crimes, especially repeat offenders, it saves us the hassle of having to overcrowd our jails to keep them housed and wherein too many are radicalised nowadays.

This statement though ...

No one has ever been deterred it seems by the application of the Death Penalty

is one of the most ridiculous I have ever seen.

[brian ross]

The Death Penalty achieves nothing other than revenge on the person who is often purported to be the culprit of a crime.

As experience has shown, all too often in the rush to punish the culprit, the wrong person has been arrested, tried and convicted - often purely upon prejudge by the police and courts. The person might just be a black man in the wrong place at the wrong time and still he is nabbed and little real investigation is attempted.

Australia was founded because the Death Penalty was deemed too harsh and unfair in the UK in the latter half of the 18th century. Jurists correctly surmised that it was too widely applied and often unfairly used to condemn people who because of circumstance were forced to steal in order to live.

The Death Penalty fails to deter. No one has ever been deterred it seems by the application of the Death Penalty, much to the chagrin of it's champions.

The public in Australia has deemed that it is unfair, unjust and unnecessary. So Governments have complied with those wishes and removed it from the courts' ability to apply it.

All these reason are why the Death Penalty has been abandoned by Australian Governments. As much as those who advocate it, it's history is besmirched by too many mistakes, and too many innocent people being condemned to it.

What about the Bourke street massacre -
broad daylight and hundreds of eye witnesses?

An exception. It is easy to condemn Dimitrious Gargasoulas. There is little doubt he is guilty but does killing him actually achieve, Bobby? Death is an easy way out. I'd much rather that he was in prison where he can rot.

[brian ross]

Whilst I believe it isn't necessarily a deterrent I think for some crimes, especially repeat offenders, it saves us the hassle of having to overcrowd our jails to keep them housed and wherein too many are radicalised nowadays.

This statement though ...

No one has ever been deterred it seems by the application of the Death Penalty

is one of the most ridiculous I have ever seen.

You have evidence to the contrary, Black Orchid? Put it forward then. No evidence we just have your opinion. Opinion which is in this case rather faulty.