Greens Split

[Rorschach]

Rebel Greens faction to fight police, capitalism
The Australian
December 23, 2016
Sam Buckingham-Jones
Journalist
Sydney

A newly formed hard-left faction within the Greens has publicly stated it does not believe in the rule of law or the legitimacy of the Australian state and says it will work to “bring about the end of capitalism”.

Formed around federal NSW senator Lee Rhiannon and NSW upper house MP David Shoebridge, the “Left Renewal” faction has published a statement of principles that is at odds with its own party and contradicts the Greens’ national policies in several key areas.

In forming the faction, Left Renewal said the Greens were failing those with liberal ­beliefs.

“Positions of power and influence within the party are falling to those with liberal politics, who manipulate party processes and abuse their resources to take and solidify their control,” the new faction’s Facebook page says.

The group opposes market-based mechanisms, such as a carbon tax or an emissions trading scheme, as methods to address climate change, and will have a binding caucus in which members will be forced to follow the ­majority view expressed within the faction.

Candidates supported by the hard Left have lost in recent state preselections in NSW, prompting the unified group looking to wrest power from what it sees as a right-wing body.

In a statement of principles, the group describes itself as ­“advocates for peace” and rejects the authority of the police.

“A rejection of class antagonism, and capitalism, also depends on a rejection of the state’s legitimacy and the right of it, and its apparatuses, to impose oppression upon the working class,” it says.

“We further rejected state- mediated oppression in all of its forms, and recognise that violent apparatuses like the police do not share an interest with the working class.”

Former Greens leader Bob Brown previously has called for Senator Rhiannon to bow out of politics to make room for ­“renewal”.

[Neferti]

The only people on PA that I think vote for the Greens are Mantra and Skippy. Both are mods.

[Outlaw Yogi]

As much as party hierarchy hates to admit it and has long denied factionalism within the Greens, it's been there for quite some time. In part this is because the Greens membership growth has primarily been by absorbing disaffected members of other parties and those of defunct parties.
As those defectors bring their baggage with them the party accumulates new agendas both external and internal.

Much of the Greens membership growth has been from the ALP left, the defunct Democrats (eg former Dems Qld senator Andrew "Purple" Bartlett is on a rotisserie as QG convenor [= Prez], having to bow out every 3rd year in accord with party constitution) and many from the defunct DSP (Democratic Socialist Party = reconstituted Communist Party).

The Greens were as most are already aware originally a political movement for environmentalists, but within the environmental lobby are hordes of extremist vegetarians. The old hierarchy were well aware of the extremism of vegetarians but still wanted their support and thought they could moderate the extreme element with pragmatism. And for a while they did.

State party delegates to state and federal conference were well aware NSW Greens party hierarchy hated Bob Brown. Mainly because he's not female and not vegetarian. While a senator he got the NSW extremists off side when a Liberal party MP referred to the Greens as the "Vegetarian party" and he invited the Lib MP to his place for "steak and chips".

In the mid 90s a faction in Qld calling themselves the "Grass Roots Greens" (GRGs) fought to oust Qld party founder Drew Hutton and supported ex Wayne Goss Qld Labor govt MP (and ex police officer) Peter Pyke. Peter Pyke had only served one 3 year term as an MP and was not entitled to a parliamentary pension, so tried to take over Qld Greens and be pre-selected as a Greens senate candidate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Pyke
I was the first one to suggest Pyke be expelled from QG, on the grounds he had "brought the party in to disrepute" with unauthorised comments to the media (Courier Mail). Pyke was expelled and the GRGs (I referred to as the "Nematodes") were driven from office bearing positions.

Aside from internal factionalism there was/is state based factionalism. For example NSW Greens were so heavily infiltrated by the vegetarian movement they were the first to express their blatant extremist views. Qld and WA Greens were also out of step with the other state parties. But NSW Greens had/has the most money, so the other less well funded state parties try to appease them for election campaign donations.


Lee Rhiannon as NSW Greens figurehead clearly demonstrates the influence the communist and vegetarian infiltration has had on the party. The communists typically referred to as "Trots" are habitual obstructionists and the vegetarians are unrealistic dreamers, but the party constitution stipulates decisions can only be made by consensus, and so the Greens wind up with bizarre policies and agendas to keep the nut jobs happy.

[mantra]

Lee Rhiannon as NSW Greens figurehead clearly demonstrates the influence the communist and vegetarian infiltration has had on the party. The communists typically referred to as "Trots" are habitual obstructionists and the vegetarians are unrealistic dreamers, but the party constitution stipulates decisions can only be made by consensus, and so the Greens wind up with bizarre policies and agendas to keep the nut jobs happy.

There has to be a breakaway. The original values of the Greens has gone forever. Obviously Rhiannon is of the extreme left. She can't adapt to Di Natale's ideology, but she will keep some of the disenfranchised happy. Di Natale is compromising by reforming the party and cutting the slack because he's ambitious, but he is no Bob Brown though. Regardless - the Greens are still a better party than Labor or the Libs. They aren't as greedy and have some moral values.

[cods]

Lee Rhiannon as NSW Greens figurehead clearly demonstrates the influence the communist and vegetarian infiltration has had on the party. The communists typically referred to as "Trots" are habitual obstructionists and the vegetarians are unrealistic dreamers, but the party constitution stipulates decisions can only be made by consensus, and so the Greens wind up with bizarre policies and agendas to keep the nut jobs happy.

There has to be a breakaway. The original values of the Greens has gone forever. Obviously Rhiannon is of the extreme left. She can't adapt to Di Natale's ideology, but she will keep some of the disenfranchised happy. Di Natale is compromising by reforming the party and cutting the slack because he's ambitious, but he is no Bob Brown though. Regardless - the Greens are still a better party than Labor or the Libs. They aren't as greedy and have some moral values.

my opinion for what its worth..

Rhiannon is and always has been a communist.. she should never have been allowed to join the Greens unless they saw this coming..they got her into parliament...and now her true colours are coming out..

well done GREENS anything for a VOTE GREENS>>..

this to me explains it all when it comes to the GREENS doing anything for this country..

it wont happen.the GREENS are the most selfish party in OZ....the Dont do as I DO do as I SAY party

and now look our very own communist party about to emerge..

BAH HUMBUG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IQS.RLOW]

The only thing worse than a communist is a hippy communist.

Every member of the Greens should spend life in prison or be shot in the fucking head.

[Outlaw Yogi]

In the mid 90s a faction in Qld calling themselves the "Grass Roots Greens" (GRGs) fought to oust Qld party founder Drew Hutton and supported ex Wayne Goss Qld Labor govt MP (and ex police officer) Peter Pyke. Peter Pyke had only served one 3 year term as an MP and was not entitled to a parliamentary pension, so tried to take over Qld Greens and be pre-selected as a Greens senate candidate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Pyke
I was the first one to suggest Pyke be expelled from QG, on the grounds he had "brought the party in to disrepute" with unauthorised comments to the media (Courier Mail). Pyke was expelled and the GRGs (I referred to as the "Nematodes") were driven from office bearing positions.

Oops .. sorry crew .. looks like I'm stuck in/on the 90s

Should have been "In the mid 2000s" ...

[Outlaw Yogi]

There has to be a breakaway.

Sounds like you're siding with Rhiannon's extremists there Mantra.

The original values of the Greens has gone forever.

Indeed! ... When Paul Keating introduced 18C of the RDA the Greens vocally opposed it on the grounds it will restrict freedom of speech.
Now they're fighting to retain it.
When Howard & Co altered the Criminal code/s to introduce 'new security measures' giving Police and ASIO extra powers and restricting citizens' liberties
the Greens campained against it, while simultaneously advocating bringing more of the migrants that gave the govt a mandate for such security measures.
If in the future it is deemed such draconian security measures are no longer required, allowing sunset clauses to take affect. I have no doubt the Greens
will complain doing so will put minorities at risk.

Obviously Rhiannon is of the extreme left.

She's not just of the loony left, she's of the mentally unstable vegetarian/vegan fundamentalist mob.
I find it ironic that the vegetarians used the environmental lobby (eg Friends of the Earth ect) to infiltrate the Greens considering that their desired
vegetarian civilisation based on vegetarian culture is mutually exclusive to environmental conservation.
[A point not lost on Bob Brown and John Williamson who founded the 'Buy the Bush' Foundation.]
Because to achieve this supposed vegetarian civilisation requires clear-felling, rock picking, stick raking and laser levelling of forests.
And their pariah meat industries are demonised as "environmental destroyers" (cattle industry in particular), yet I can produce hundreds of photos of
cattle sustainably grazing in forests.

She can't adapt to Di Natale's ideology, but she will keep some of the disenfranchised happy.
Di Natale is compromising by reforming the party and cutting the slack because he's ambitious,

While there's probably very little I'd agree on with Di Natale, I do recognise he's sticking to an agenda set in place when Bob Brown still led the
party and maintained by Christine Milne to present the party as 'mainstream'.
Rhiannon is a direct and deliberate threat to that agenda by keepng the party a ratbag fringe movement.
So if you are genuinely motivated to see the Greens achieve anything remotly positive, you would have no choice but to disown Lee Rhiannon.

Greens party membership is predominantly old women. Greens party hierarchy is predominantly professionals (especially university lecturers).
And the feral/hippy members predominantly on disability and carers pensions contribute very little except turn up to hand out HTVs on election day.
So Rhiannon's veg nazi party would have plenty of anaemic dreadlocked helpers but no campaign funds.

[Rorschach]

The Greens have never really been mainstream... they were an environmental party infiltrated by socialist now they are a socialist progressive claque. Bandt, Milne, Di Natale, Ludlum, Hanson-Dumb, Waters, etc... Rhiannon IS a political fruit-loop. The fact that she may create a factional split in the Greens is a sign of the influx of fruit-loops they are attracting.
Each year they get further and further away from their original goals and tenets.

[mantra]

There has to be a breakaway.

Sounds like you're siding with Rhiannon's extremists there Mantra.

Definitely not. I've never liked her much and always thought she went a step too far. I was making an objective comment only.

Obviously Rhiannon is of the extreme left.

She's not just of the loony left, she's of the mentally unstable vegetarian/vegan fundamentalist mob.
I find it ironic that the vegetarians used the environmental lobby (eg Friends of the Earth ect) to infiltrate the Greens considering that their desired
vegetarian civilisation based on vegetarian culture is mutually exclusive to environmental conservation.
[A point not lost on Bob Brown and John Williamson who founded the 'Buy the Bush' Foundation.
Because to achieve this supposed vegetarian civilisation requires clear-felling, rock picking, stick raking and laser levelling of forests.
And their pariah meat industries are demonised as "environmental destroyers" (cattle industry in particular), yet I can produce hundreds of photos of
cattle sustainably grazing in forests.

I'm not sure that cattle grazing in forests is good for a fragile eco system, but better that than letting them starve to death if they were used for local consumption. I don't agree with having a live export industry either.

Greens party membership is predominantly old women. Greens party hierarchy is predominantly professionals (especially university lecturers).
And the feral/hippy members predominantly on disability and carers pensions contribute very little except turn up to hand out HTVs on election day.
So Rhiannon's veg nazi party would have plenty of anaemic dreadlocked helpers but no campaign funds.

I am not of the extreme left, but will continue to vote for the mainstream Greens until the major parties get their act together - if they ever do.