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NBN a Dud Project from the start.

Post by Rorschach » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:50 pm

Here's one for Monk...
Oh right he doesn't want to come here :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
But nonetheless seems to know much of what does.
I was wrong on NBN: It’s a turkey
The Australian
October 15, 2016
Alan Kohler
Editor-at-large, The Australian Business Review

Unhappily, Australia’s national broadband network is a white elephant and, to mix metaphors, an albatross around the nation’s neck.

I say this by way of mea culpa: your correspondent was an enthusiastic supporter of it in the early days. I thought the fibre-to-the-home plan was a piece of courageous and visionary policymaking all too rare in Australia, and booed what I thought was the Coalition’s penny-pinching, politically motivated decision to cut it back to fibre-to-the-node.

It’s now clear that my colleague Stephen Bartholomeusz was right all along: the thing is a dud, a donkey, a pasty pachyderm, and it would have been much worse if the original FTTH plan had gone ahead.

Bevan Slattery, a serial builder of fibre networks (PIPE Networks, which he sold to TPG Telecom, and now Superloop) threw a metaphorical glass of water in my face recently, when he said the NBN was “like watching a car crash in slow motion”.

“It’s going to be to the most expensive and least utilised broadband network in the developed world.”

TPG’s share price crashed from $12 to $8.50 after its results came out last month, and has since kept falling to below $8, because it has now dawned on the market for the first time how much more the NBN will cost in wholesale access charges than Telstra’s ADSL.

The numbers are simple, and inescapable.

The NBN will end up costing $50 billion, of which $30bn is government equity and $20bn will be debt, still to be raised.

After about 2020, it will have eight million customers. At the moment the average access charge is $43 per month (versus Telstra’s $15 a month for ADSL, which is why TPG’s share price crashed).

By 2020, that $43 can perhaps be got up to $50, so $600 a year. Total revenue, therefore, of $4.8bn.

Telstra has to be paid about $2bn a year in rent for its pipes and ducts, and the cost of running the NBN and maintaining the network is expected to be about $1bn a year. Assuming interest on the debt of $800m (at 4 per cent), that leaves a net profit of $1.2bn, or 4 per cent return on equity of $30bn.

To sell the network, as it intends, the government would probably need to write it down by $20bn so the ROE is 10 per cent.

And even then it will be a hard sell because of the high wholesale access price that would have to be charged, and the likely competition by then from 5G wireless.

Is Slattery right that it will be the most expensive network in the developed world?

Not even close. According to a cost-of-living database published by a website called Numbeo, the most expensive broadband is in Ethiopia — $US197.71 per month.

Australia’s monthly price on this list is $US52.85, and based on the today’s NBN access price of $43 ($US32.25), it could still be that price with the NBN as network wholesaler — as long as it is only earning an ROE of 4 per cent.

The problem comes if, or rather when, the NBN has to earn a commercial return. To make an ROE of 10 per cent, the NBN Co would need to charge $73 per month, or $US55.

A reseller margin of 40 per cent would take the Australian retail broadband price to $US77, which is more than Cuba’s $US72.50, but less than Bolivia’s $US81. And it’s an awful lot more than Britain’s $US25.95, where broadband network construction has been left to (the private) British Telecom.

That’s why TPG’s share price is down 30 per cent: it will be lucky to get a margin of 10 per cent, and even then it will be vulnerable to competition from wireless.

What’s to be done? Nothing. As an NBN insider told me with a rueful shrug this week: “We are where we are.”

Sorry about that.
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Re: NBN a Dud Project from the start.

Post by Super Nova » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:37 pm

I have said from the beginning it was a big expensive bet where government is investing in old technology.

Britain will become one of the first countries to embrace the next generation of high-speed internet under plans to be announced this week.
Hundreds of millions of pounds are to be made available to make Britain a pioneer in 5G wireless technology. Experts predict that 5G internet could be up to 100 times faster than 4G connections, sending more data with higher reliability. Feature-length films could be downloaded in seconds.
It would put Britain at the forefront of the “internet of things”, enabling the development of innovations such as driverless cars and smarthomes in which appliances, lighting and heating are controlled remotely using the internet.


http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/ ... -xfp2bmc8z

The technology in communications is changing at a rapid pace. I have argued that rolling out fibre everywhere is very expensive and look above. Wireless is going to be huge..... check out my hands.
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Re: NBN a Dud Project from the start.

Post by Rorschach » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:51 pm

Well it didn't matter that we both told Monk, SN.... it didn't matter that we both had first hand experience in ICT and he had experience in the bottom of a bottle. :rofl :rofl :rofl

But it is good that the things we have noted are coming to pass.
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Re: NBN a Dud Project from the start.

Post by Super Nova » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:02 am

it didn't matter that we both had first hand experience in ICT and he had experience in the bottom of a bottle.
:lol:

Yep, take a simple concept of one size fits all and you get the chance to form an opinion on technology that is not fit for purpose. He is from Generation I

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Re: NBN a Dud Project from the start.

Post by mantra » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:49 am

It isn't competitive. I've had a few desperate canvassers approach me and it must be costing the government a fortune to sign up new customers. I have recently renewed my Optus contract but the most recent offer I got was that NBN/Telstra would reimburse me for the cost of getting me out of my 2 year contract with food vouchers to use at Coles and Woolworths. Aside from that their monthly cost still exceeded that of my current contract. The biggest turnoff was the Telstra service which would have to be the worst in Australia.

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Re: NBN a Dud Project from the start.

Post by Neferti » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:07 pm

mantra wrote:It isn't competitive. I've had a few desperate canvassers approach me and it must be costing the government a fortune to sign up new customers. I have recently renewed my Optus contract but the most recent offer I got was that NBN/Telstra would reimburse me for the cost of getting me out of my 2 year contract with food vouchers to use at Coles and Woolworths. Aside from that their monthly cost still exceeded that of my current contract. The biggest turnoff was the Telstra service which would have to be the worst in Australia.
I haven't had anyone banging on my door about the NBN .... I do NOT want it. I am happy with what I have. Sure, it isn't the fastest connection but, geeze, why would I want to pay double what I already do for what reason? I download movies and games ... no problem.

Food vouchers ............ :rofl :rofl :rofl

Monk still wants it though. Wonder why?

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Re: NBN a Dud Project from the start.

Post by mantra » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:38 pm

They actually called them gift vouchers - same thing though.

I'm happy with Optus. They've always given very good service.

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Re: NBN a Dud Project from the start.

Post by Super Nova » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:46 pm

How much speed do you need really at home.

2M is enough to stream movies while surfing and running Skype calls all at once.
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Re: NBN a Dud Project from the start.

Post by Neferti » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:56 pm

Super Nova wrote:How much speed do you need really at home.

2M is enough to stream movies while surfing and running Skype calls all at once.
I pay $39.95 a month for 50GB or something (I use about 3 GB a month)... last I checked it was about 8.80 d/l and 082 u/l, usually it is slightly higher than that.

I have downloaded games and movies at that speed without a problem. Every gadget I own (tablet, desktop, laptop and phone) are attached to Wifi and I can still download stuff from Foxtel to the TV via wifi.

I do NOT want my GP to check my BP and medical problems via MY computer ... he has trouble enough that I research Dr Google and tell him what my medical problem is. LOL

Monk just wants everything for nothing.

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Re: NBN a Dud Project from the start.

Post by Black Orchid » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:16 pm

I am happy with my speeds although it is a bit slow today. All on wifi too.

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