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Abbott what next?

Post by Rorschach » Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:47 am

Malcolm Turnbull's Abbott problem simply won't go away
December 4, 2015 - 12:33AM
Mark Kenny
Chief political correspondent

Tony Abbott is causing waves and Turnbull will have to work out whether to ignore him, embrace him, or perhaps even induce him to leave.

Margie Abbott has told friends her husband is shattered by the loss of the prime ministership, predicting grimly that his pain will last a lifetime. Of all the understandable emotions including grief, regret, and, presumably something akin to guilt, that Margie has revealed, it was his betrayal by close colleagues that has cut the dumped leader the deepest.

It is a personal insight into the intensity of high office that reveals, as mountaineers have observed, that the descent can sometimes be more arduous than the journey up.

Malcolm Turnbull now has his own version of Gillard's Rudd dilemma – what to do with a wounded ex-PM who won't leave.
Malcolm Turnbull now has his own version of Gillard's Rudd dilemma – what to do with a wounded ex-PM who won't leave. Photo: Andrew Meares

A separate account from inside the depleted Canberra bunker, has the erstwhile PM so deflated he has to be coached on a daily basis into interacting with colleagues by his ex-chief of staff (turned landlord) Peta Credlin, preferring to mull over his legacy and his losses in the sanctity of his office.

Abbott's now celebrated attendance at one of Peter Dutton's "Monkey Pod" lunches, replete with a cake baked by "Peta", suddenly makes sense in this light. It suggests the ex-PM's confidant remains utterly pivotal to his future in politics.

It's Peta who is "keeping Tony in the game", says a sympathetic MP. "She believes he can make a come-back probably more than him and is pushing him to it." But nobody really knows. Coalition members have talked themselves dry on the subject of Abbott's plans.

History suggests his decision will have material implications for the very efficacy of the Turnbull government, and therefore the nation. Looming large in assessments is the ALP's destructive turn following Julia Gillard's 'over-night' replacement of Kevin Rudd.

Turnbull wisely minimised the perception of an ambush on Abbott by allowing his target to succeed or fail on his own, and with ample time. Abbott had asked colleagues for six months in February and had been given even more, before the axe fell.

But there are unavoidable similarities. Ambush or not, another PM's demise was still an enormous convulsion given that it was not so long ago that the mid-term removal of Abbott was dismissed as unthinkable – all the more so because of Labor's "lesson".

Indeed, Coalition MPs in 2013 would have given any odds against repeating the catastrophic Labor mistake of tearing down a sitting first-term prime minister. Yet, amazingly, that's what they did. And now, Turnbull has his own version of Gillard's Rudd dilemma – what to do with a wounded ex-PM who won't leave.

It was common as things went south for Labor to hear the catch-all explanation, "well that's what happens when you cut down a sitting prime minister". This was blithely used to explain spectacular surgical leaks against Gillard emanating from Rudd or his backers which very nearly saw the ALP defeated in 2010. As an explanation, it represented an enormous leave-pass for disloyalty, simultaneously elevating the hurt feelings of one man above the interest of both the nation and the government.

Turnbull is in a much stronger position, but he would be foolish to conclude he does not face similar challenges. With Abbott's promise of no sniping already threadbare, ongoing resentment from Abbott and a clutch of conservative malcontents seems unstoppable.

As Margie Abbott's assessment reveals, the former prime minister is said to be angrier with his deputy Julie Bishop and with Scott Morrison – whose hardness he so often praised as border protection minister – than he is with Turnbull himself. The latter at least, had been up-front about his ambitions.

Gillard of course reluctantly agreed to draw Rudd close, naming him as foreign minister in her cabinet. Could Turnbull consider the same approach? Abbott might enjoy the double-revenge of displacing Bishop as a condition of his return, but that is not going to happen. Another option of a diplomatic posting seems more plausible – but only if Abbott is prepared to take it. Washington has already gone to Joe Hockey though, leaving only London among the real prizes.

One thing seems certain. Despite being overwhelmingly endorsed in opinion polls, the shockwaves of the mid-term change of prime ministers, will continue for some time. A fabric change that had looked seamless, is gradually exposing its seams, and in the process, exposing some of the hasty needle-work used to stitch things together.

An outstanding series by Fairfax Media's Peter Hartcher this week revealed the inner workings of the coup including its long preparatory stage, and this has set loose the dogs inside the defeated conservative camp. Among the results was Abbott effectively branding Bishop a liar for claiming she had told him of pre-coup conversations between Turnbull, Morrison, and herself as far back as February, before the spill attempt.

Turnbull's appointment of his key numbers man, Mal Brough, as Special Minister of State – and therefore minister for MPs' integrity – appears to be another case of hasty tailoring that is already unthreading. If Brough resigns, is sacked, or is even just stood aside, over his involvement in the Slipper-Ashby affair, it will be Turnbull's initial judgment in the dock.

This is because a police investigation into Brough was already on foot when he was appointed.

Another casualty of the coup was the Turnbull supporter, Ian Macfarlane. The former Abbott cabinet minister stunned the political community on the last day of Parliament by defecting to the junior partner, the Nationals. Two other Liberals were rumoured to be following.

What had appeared slick and professional, is suddenly looking messy and just a bit chaotic. Maybe the Rudd apologists were right after all: things do become uncontrollable when you replace a sitting prime minister.

Mark Kenny is Fairfax Media's chief political correspondent.

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Personally I think there is no way back for Abbott. He proved that he cannot be trusted to honour promises, puts personal loyalties before the good of the country, and refuses to listen to good advice. As long as Credlin is in tow and unless he has a huge public epiphany there is NO WAY BACK.
He should man up and admit his failings and move on.
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Re: Abbott what next?

Post by mantra » Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:58 pm

Rorschach wrote:Personally I think there is no way back for Abbott. He proved that he cannot be trusted to honour promises, puts personal loyalties before the good of the country, and refuses to listen to good advice. As long as Credlin is in tow and unless he has a huge public epiphany there is NO WAY BACK.
He should man up and admit his failings and move on.
He's a Scorpio - so he's got to sting a few people before he gives up. I don't mind his comments popping up occasionally in the media. It shows that he's still fighting and not crawling away like a dog with its tail between his legs.

He made some mistakes - all PM's do for a while until they learn their job. Changing leaders during their term has made both major parties unstable and neither of them have any integrity left. It's no surprise that the popularity of minor parties and independents is escalating.

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Re: Abbott what next?

Post by Rorschach » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:28 pm

Minor parties? Really?
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Re: Abbott what next?

Post by Rorschach » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:58 pm

Given both major parties consist of roughly 30% of the total vote each... with rusted-ons... unless another major party emerges we will always be stuck with one of them in Government
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Re: Abbott what next?

Post by mantra » Sat Dec 05, 2015 7:04 am

Rorschach wrote:Given both major parties consist of roughly 30% of the total vote each... with rusted-ons... unless another major party emerges we will always be stuck with one of them in Government
True, but changes are occurring. If the minor parties and independents can increase their seats in the lower and upper houses - then the major parties lose a lot of their power. An earlier poll for the North Sydney byelection today, indicated that there was going to be a large swing away from the Liberals towards the Greens and others. Of course the seat is safe for the moment, but voters are disillusioned with the huge costs associated with the Liberal campaign and the fact that a byelection is being forced on them so close to a Federal election. We'll soon see if they maintain their previous safe margin.

The Liberals continue to show an offensive sense of entitlement in regard to their expenses - even though they should know better by now. Turnbull is travelling down the same path as Abbott by protecting Mal Brough and condoning Julie Bishop's travel expenses.
MP travel expenses are in the spotlight again after revelations Julie Bishop had an empty government VIP jet to pick her up after a private dinner in Perth.

The jet had only two people on board, costing taxpayers $30,000, the Daily Telegraph reported.

The Foreign Affairs Minister said she had to take the private flight because the dinner ended too late for her to catch a commercial flight to be back in time for a for 7am ministerial meeting in Canberra.

MPs from both sides of politics suggested Ms Bishop should have cancelled her dinner if the meetings could not be moved ­instead of charging taxpayers.

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Re: Abbott what next?

Post by skippy » Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:08 am

The Libs will get a swing against it in the bi election but they will probably get most of it back at next years election.
I think it's a good thing to have many parties represented in parliament. With a two party system we are are kidding ourselves to think we get true representation or even true democracy.
The Liberal and labor party are very alike in their policy nowadays it's not like it was fifty years ago.
Our grandfathers wouldn't recognise the current Labor or Liberal parties.
I think many people are disappointed in this countries politics but it's not because we have micro parties or even change government a lot more often than we did in the past, it's because the two main parties still act as if they are born to rule.
Factions rule both major parties as has been evident over the past few months within the Liberals and that delusional born to rule " I'm special and deserve to be a minister" thought pattern surfaced again this week when Macfarlane took his bat and ball to the Nationals because he didn't get a ministry in Turnbulls front bench. Talk about having tickets on yourself. :roll
As for Abbott, he is Turnbulls worst nightmare, The Liberals version of Rudd. This weeks Comments from Abbott prove he has no intention of not sitting on the sidelines silently without snide snipes and may do a lot more damage to the government than Labor could ever dream about doing.
Abbott is Shortens best asset at the moment. Unless Abbott goes before the next election you can imagine the sort of shit that will be wheeled out come election time, and between now and then, as the undermining of Turnbull and Bishop is put into full swing by the Abbott faction. At least Hockey knew when he was beaten and walked away gracefully.

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Re: Abbott what next?

Post by Neferti » Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:29 pm

skippy wrote:The Libs will get a swing against it in the bi election but they will probably get most of it back at next years election.
I am not so sure about that, Skip. Will wait and see the outcome from today's bi election. However, I suspect that the Liberals will have a swing against them but it IS a Blue Ribbon Liberal seat and unless all the Libs vote informal or decided to just pay the $20 fine, the new guy will get in. Many, many Liberal voters who have voted "all their life" for the Libs are really pissed off with Turncoat and like me, will NOT vote Liberal because we do NOT reward schemers, traitors and back-stabbers. He thinks he is Mister Marvellous (like Rudd) and needs to be brought down a few pegs. :mrgreen:
Factions rule both major parties as has been evident over the past few months within the Liberals and that delusional born to rule " I'm special and deserve to be a minister" thought pattern surfaced again this week when Macfarlane took his bat and ball to the Nationals because he didn't get a ministry in Turnbulls front bench. Talk about having tickets on yourself. :roll
Ian MacFarlane is a fool, an old one. I met him and his "mates", Andrew Robb and Rick Farley (dec'd) at the NFF (National Farmers Federation) when I worked there (very briefly) back in the 80s. Arrogant the three of them. Swanning around like they were some sort of National Treasures and they were all extremely rude to us females.
As for Abbott, he is Turnbulls worst nightmare, The Liberals version of Rudd. This weeks Comments from Abbott prove he has no intention of not sitting on the sidelines silently without snide snipes and may do a lot more damage to the government than Labor could ever dream about doing.
Yes, I am rather amazed that Tony is giving "interviews" ... or is he? He has every reason to sit, snarl, wait, and get pissed off ... but it is NOT a good look. :mrgreen: Put yourself in the same situation .... J Bishop is a real bitch. I used to think she was OK. Not anymore!
Abbott is Shortens best asset at the moment. Unless Abbott goes before the next election you can imagine the sort of shit that will be wheeled out come election time, and between now and then, as the undermining of Turnbull and Bishop is put into full swing by the Abbott faction. At least Hockey knew when he was beaten and walked away gracefully.
Word has it that Turncoat might go for a DD but I guess he is waiting to see what happens in North Sydney today. :mrgreen: I can't stand him and never have. Abbott wasn't very likeable either, nor was Howard ... or ANY of the ALP/Greens pollies.

Ah well.

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Re: Abbott what next?

Post by Black Orchid » Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:00 am

Neferti~ wrote:Many, many Liberal voters who have voted "all their life" for the Libs are really pissed off with Turncoat and like me, will NOT vote Liberal because we do NOT reward schemers, traitors and back-stabbers. He thinks he is Mister Marvellous (like Rudd) and needs to be brought down a few pegs. :mrgreen:
I don't think the North Sydney by-election swing had anything to do with peoples' displeasure with Turnbull at all. Joe has been a very popular representative for the past 20 years and people are not only sad to see him go they are not impressed with Zimmerman being parachuted in. Maybe in the Federal election they may, or may not, take a stand against Turnbull but in the by-election they are thinking about who will best serve them and their community.

Stephen Ruff did really well because he has been tirelessly fighting to save the grounds of the Royal North Shore Hospital. I wouldn't be surprised if he won next time.

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Re: Abbott what next?

Post by Black Orchid » Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:01 am

Ooops I just noticed the topic title. This discussion is not about Abbott and we are off topic. Rorschach will not be pleased.

Sorry :lol:

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Re: Abbott what next?

Post by Rorschach » Sun Dec 06, 2015 2:50 pm

Well its not about the Nth Sydney By-election that's for sure.
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