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Human genetic modifications - Political isisue

Post by Super Nova » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:03 am

I post this here because it is more a political issue rather than scientific now.

I think we cannot stop this. The train has left the station. we should allow and regulate then track the genetically modified people through their life and their offspring. We will never gain control now the science is ahead of policy. If Russia can do it.... we should regulate rather than prevent.

What do you think?

The next society that wants a master race... will do very well with this technology. Breed some super soldiers and Einsteins.

Should we support regulated research for the good of humanity or should we prevent it because we are fearful of the result?

What should governments do now the gene is out of the bottle and cannot be put back?

Human embryos genetically altered for the first time

Human embryos have been genetically modified for the first time, leading to the prospect of designer babies, according to a leading scientific journal.

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Scientists speaking anonymously to Nature have said that several laboratories have altered the DNA of human embryos, with the results of their work now awaiting publication. Although illegal in much of the world, such techniques would not break the law everywhere, being allowed in Russia and parts of South America.

Alterations to individual human genomes have the potential to revolutionise medical care, enabling genetic diseases to be prevented and significantly lessening the risk of others that are partially genetic, such as some forms of breast cancer.

However, the technique also involves tampering with what most scientists view as the code that affects our fundamental nature — the very essence of what it means to be human. This could theoretically enable people to try to make changes to people’s personalities, such as improving intelligence or physique, with unpredictable results that would persist across generations.

So concerned is a group of eminent scientists, that they have called for a moratorium on all such research, saying that it is “dangerous and ethically unacceptable”. But others say that it is probably already too late.

“I have been expecting this, perhaps not quite so soon,” said Professor John Parrington, from Oxford University.

“New genome-editing tools are highly efficient and relatively easy to use. These are tools available to practically any molecular biology laboratory in the world and if you also have the ability to inject a fertilised egg, then combining these two technologies makes it possible to precisely modify the genome of the resulting embryo.

“This makes it feasible for any reasonably skilled lab to use and science being what it is, people will seek to apply these technologies,” said professor Parrington, author of The Deeper Genome. “Clearly some people have done it on human embryos.”

At present any embryos who have their germ line altered in this way would almost certainly have been destroyed, but even so, the application of such editing techniques to a human embryo worries many scientists.

A group of researchers including Edward Lanphier, chairman of the Alliance for Regenerative Medicine in Washington, said that for ethical, safety and scientific reasons, all such work must now stop.

“Philosophically or ethically justifiable applications for this technology — should any ever exist — are moot until it becomes possible to demonstrate safe outcomes and obtain reproducible data over multiple generations,” they said.

“Many oppose germline modification on the grounds that permitting even unambiguously therapeutic interventions could start us down a path towards non-therapeutic genetic enhancement. We share these concerns.”

Editing the genome of an embryo’s nucleus differs significantly from mitochondrial donation, a controversial procedure that was recently approved by the House of Commons — making Britain the first country to legalise it.

That technique involves altering the DNA of mitochondria, the cell’s energy packs. Mitochondrial DNA is believed to be completely distinct from the nuclear DNA that determines our individual characteristics.

Professor Tetsuya Ishii, a bioethicist at Hokkaido University, described this week’s news as “very worrisome”. He has conducted a review of global regulations and found that out of 39 of the top scientific nations, ten did not have guidelines that banned the practice. This included the US, where laboratories are able to apply for a licence.

Cracking the code

The progress made in editing genetic material lies in the way that bacteria defend themselves from infection.

In the 1980s biologists noticed a strange set of repeating patterns in some bacterial DNA, but did not know why this occured.

When a virus attacks an organism, it can integrate its genetic material into a cell’s genome. Now it has been realised that the bacteria use the repeating sections on their genome to target the viral DNA and remove it.

Scientists have appropriated the protein that does this and found that it can be used to target any DNA sequence in any genome. Even more excitingly, it has been shown that not only can it remove DNA segments but it can also change a gene’s character.
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Re: Human genetic modifications - Political isisue

Post by Rorschach » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:15 am

It'll be interesting to see what comes of it.
But it will be a long term study and like any proper science should not get ahead of itself or be uncontrolled.
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Re: Human genetic modifications - Political isisue

Post by Super Nova » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:37 am

Rorschach wrote:It'll be interesting to see what comes of it.
But it will be a long term study and like any proper science should not get ahead of itself or be uncontrolled.
Good point.

I agree but history is full of scientific discoveries that are exploited before we understand them. That would require control and a political support. If not... it will be completely uncontrolled and their DNA will enter the population without knowledge.

Maybe a policy that every human modified has an area of the DNA that is useless encoded with a marker so it can be traced through the population. A set of policies need to be ratified by governments and policed centrally.

The only real way to study this is to breed a small set of human lab rats.

This is happening at the embryo level but I bet there is a human today walking and talking no-one is really aware of. Someone's experiment alive now.

It is going ahead ... what do we do now.
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Post by Rorschach » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:53 am

This sort of thing was speculated on in the last "Bourne" movie with Jeremy Renner.

BTW we all carry "junk" DNA.
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Post by Outlaw Yogi » Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:08 pm

Super Nova wrote:
What do you think?
At first Dolly the sheep.
Then Star Wars storm troopers.
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Post by Outlaw Yogi » Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:09 pm

Rorschach wrote:This sort of thing was speculated on in the last "Bourne" movie with Jeremy Renner.

BTW we all carry "junk" DNA.
Yes, and inbreds like you get a double dose.
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Post by Rorschach » Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:44 pm

Wassup yogi.... can't handle being wrong... gotta troll to make you feel better :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Re: Human genetic modifications - Political isisue

Post by boxy » Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:29 pm

It'll happen, no matter what. If it's likely to give a significant advantage, then the super-powers will have to embrace it, like they have nuclear weapons and drones in the past.

Only that which potentially could wipe the whole species out will see (a half heartedly) attempt at control.

Fuck ethics, fuck religion, fuck human rights.

Might = right.
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Re: Human genetic modifications - Political isisue

Post by Super Nova » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:40 am

boxy wrote: Might = right.
As it always has been.

Morality is a fantasy of human construction that carries no favour in the nature of things.
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Post by Outlaw Yogi » Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:08 pm

Rorschach wrote:Wassup yogi.... can't handle being wrong... gotta troll to make you feel better :rofl :rofl :rofl
Wrong about what half-wit?

I think it is you projecting your failings onto others again here. Hardly surprising for someone who's typically wrong about everything and wrong in the head.

Y'see I actually like being proven wrong/incorrect because it makes me go back to scratch and reconsider the topic/issue/subject.
I suppose you've never had one of those "Wow! .. well how about that moments?" where you discover what you (and/or the whole world) thought/believed about a particular topic was misconcieved.

But then like I stated previously in another thread "I would bet that you have never won a single debate on any topic with anyone at this site, but in your schizophrenic mind, you've won them all"

As for trolling. Well yes I troll., but not as much/often as you do hypocrite. Not that it matters, trolling's always been tolerated at PA.

Anyway, I doubt manipulating DNA could solve your head fuck problems or those like you.
I think the Nazis got it right when dealing with cretins like you. Just gas them.
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