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AUS ready for higher heathcare costs?

Post by AiA in Atlanta » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:54 am

Wikileaks to the rescue.

The TPP, drafted by multinational corporations for their benefit alone ...The Medical-Industrial Complex is being protected which means higher drug costs for all countries who sign the TPP:
WikiLeaks once again provided a valuable public service, releasing a working draft of the Trans-Pacific Partnership’s (TPP) chapter on intellectual property. The chapter has many of the provisions that critics had feared.

Specifically, there are several provisions that will increase protectionism in the prescription drug market, pushing up prices in the countries that sign the agreement. There are also provisions that would strengthen copyright protection, increasing the responsibility of third parties to assist copyright holders in enforcing their copyrights.

The greater protection for prescription drugs takes a variety of forms. For example, there is wording that would require countries to allow patents for new combinations of existing drugs. This has been a hotly contested issue internationally.

India’s Supreme Court recently upheld a decision to withhold a patent for the cancer drug Glivec. This drug, which sells for as much as $100,000 for a year’s dosage in the United States, is a combination of previously approved drugs. On this basis India refused to award a patent. As a result, Indian patients can get a generic version that costs around $2,000 a year.

The TPP also provides for stronger and longer protection for test data used to establish a drug’s safety and effectiveness. If this gets into law, patients in many countries will likely have to wait longer before having access to generic versions of drugs.

The US proposed language for the TPP that would require countries to issue patents for medical procedures. This means that a surgeon who has developed a creative way to carry through a particular operation – or was at least able to get a patent issued — would be able to sue other doctors for doing similar operations.

There are also numerous provisions strengthening rules on trademarks and copyrights. The most important provisions with respect to the latter are probably the sections that could lead intermediaries to be held liable for unintentional copyright infringement. For example, a website host could possibly be held liable for infringement if a person had posted video or written material that was subject to copyright protection.

The direction of this chapter is to take commerce 180 degrees in the opposite direction of free trade. It is all about increasing protectionism – and in almost every single dispute the US takes the strongest protectionist position possible. And, as the economics textbooks tell us, protectionism leads to higher prices, economic distortions and waste and corruption.

While the whole thrust of the chapter is to increase protections, the statement of objectives does include the following somewhat inspiring statement (opposed by the United States):

The protection and enforcement of intellectual property rights should contribute to the promotion of technological innovation and to the transfer and dissemination of technology, to the mutual advantage of producers and users of technological knowledge and in a manner conducive to social and economic welfare, and to a balance of rights and obligations.

[And to] support each Party’s right to protect public health, including by facilitating timely access to affordable medicines.

This is nice wording. Together with a couple of dollars it should buy you a cup of coffee.
http://billmoyers.com/2013/11/14/top-se ... -expected/

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Re: AUS ready for higher heathcare costs?

Post by mantra » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:25 am

We would be crazy to sign up to the TPP, but Abbott is determined to do it. This won't only apply to the drug corporations, but every single multi-national in existence. We will be at their mercy in regard to escalating prices on everything and they will have no competition. Small business will be completely wiped out. The wealthy will be fine, but forget the poor. Costs of essentials will be prohibitive.

Australia is just signing their rights away to everything. This agreement is not in the best interests of the people of Australia. We'll end up like the US - unable to afford even basic medicine or access to medical procedures unless we're wealthy.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott has indicated he is keen to see the trade talks pushed to a successful conclusion next month, saying that ''there's always horse-trading in these negotiations, but in the end … everyone is better off''.

Intellectual property law expert Matthew Rimmer said the draft was ''very prescriptive'' and strongly reflected US trade objectives and multinational corporate interests ''with little focus on the rights and interests of consumers, let alone broader community interests''. ''One could see the TPP as a Christmas wish list for major corporations; and the copyright parts of the text support such a view,'' Dr Rimmer said. ''Hollywood, the music industry, big IT companies such as Microsoft, the pharmaceutical sector would all be very happy with this.''

The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade recently excluded journalists from TPP industry briefings held in anticipation of the next round of negotiations that begins in Salt Lake City, Utah, next week.

Dr Rimmer noted Australia appeared ''generally supportive'' of the US or otherwise ''quite passive'' in the negotiations. The leaked draft shows the US and Japan oppose wording, supported by most other countries, that highlights the importance of ''maintain[ing] a balance between the rights of intellectual property holders and the legitimate interests of users and the community''.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... 2xh0m.html

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Post by Rorschach » Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:56 am

Abbott is determined to do it... really? So Emerson wasn't mantra? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Re: AUS ready for higher heathcare costs?

Post by mantra » Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:42 am

Rorschach wrote:Abbott is determined to do it... really?
You need to keep up.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott has indicated that he is keen to see the trade talks pushed to a conclusion next month, saying "there’s always horse-trading in these negotiations, but in the end ... everyone is better off"’.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... z2katwqTBd
Rorschach wrote:So Emerson wasn't mantra? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
FACT.....Labor didn't sign us up to it.

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Re: AUS ready for higher heathcare costs?

Post by Rorschach » Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:11 pm

Fact.... neither have the Liberals...

You can't even bring yourself to admit both major parties have been trying to get this deal. Mind you mostly timewise it's been labor hasn't it, I mean the Coalition have only been in for 2 months now and this has been going on for years.
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Re: AUS ready for higher heathcare costs?

Post by mantra » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:54 pm

Roach wrote:You can't even bring yourself to admit both major parties have been trying to get this deal.
LABOR DIDN'T SIGN IT BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T HAPPY WITH ALL THE TERMS.

Read my words instead of acting like a bull to a red flag. Other nations are demanding changes - Abbott isn't.
Labor has pledged to reject an agreement with investor-state dispute settlement provisions arguing that foreign companies should not be allowed to sue Australian governments.

Ahead of the election the Coalition indicated it had a softer stance.

Trade Minister Andrew Robb is en route to South Korea, Japan and China for trade talks and has previously spoken about his desire to quickly conclude the Trans Pacific Partnership talks.


Peter Martin, Philip Dorling
I'll find the link shortly.
From a Canadian perspective, there is good news and bad news. The good news is that Canada is pushing back against many U.S. demands by promoting provisions that are consistent with current Canadian law. Canada is often joined by New Zealand, Malaysia, Mexico, Chile, Vietnam, Peru, and Brunei Darussalam. Japan and Singapore are part of this same group on many issues. Interestingly, Canada has also promoted Canadian-specific solutions on many issues. The bad news is that the U.S. - often joined by Australia - is demanding that Canada rollback its recent copyright reform legislation with a long list of draconian proposals.

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Re: AUS ready for higher heathcare costs?

Post by Neferti » Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:11 pm

Mantra,

Why do you get so upset about Trade Agreements?

As an aside, Andrew Robb I know, I worked (briefly) for the NFF in the 80's when he was a Director there. Can't stand him.

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Re: AUS ready for higher heathcare costs?

Post by mantra » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:34 pm

Neferti~ wrote:Mantra,

Why do you get so upset about Trade Agreements?

As an aside, Andrew Robb I know, I worked (briefly) for the NFF in the 80's when he was a Director there. Can't stand him.
I can't stand Robb either.

There is not one FTA that we've signed where we are on an equal footing.

We have a trade deficit with the Americans of $14 billion. Have you ever noticed all those cheap, crappy US sitcoms, reality shows and serials that saturate our TV channels? No offense to the American members here, but we're stuck with that thanks to the FTA, but that's only a small part of it.

Example - just because we agree to sell our apples and pears to the US and they need 150 tonnes a year of fruit, doesn't mean they buy it all from us. They might buy 20 tonne from us, but buy the rest of it from countries which produce fruit cheaper. We're doing the same thing so our poor old farmers are really suffering.

No matter who we trade with - they're selling us more than we're selling them. Idiots run this country.

Abbott wants to sell Graincorp to the Yanks. We might as well kiss goodbye to our grains also if he goes ahead with the deal.

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Re: AUS ready for higher heathcare costs?

Post by Rorschach » Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:49 pm

mantra wrote:
Roach wrote:You can't even bring yourself to admit both major parties have been trying to get this deal.
LABOR DIDN'T SIGN IT BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T HAPPY WITH ALL THE TERMS.

WHAT DON"T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE LIBERALS HAVEN"T SIGNED IT AND THEY ARE STILL NEGOTIATING ABOUT DISPUTED TERMS?

Read my words instead of acting like a bull to a red flag. Stuff you mantra you self righteous idiot, I read what you said, I even refuted it, you are too stupid apparently to get it... not me. the only bull around here is your bullshyt. Other nations are demanding changes - Abbott isn't.
Labor has pledged to reject an agreement with investor-state dispute settlement provisions arguing that foreign companies should not be allowed to sue Australian governments.

Ahead of the election the Coalition indicated it had a softer stance.

Trade Minister Andrew Robb is en route to South Korea, Japan and China for trade talks and has previously spoken about his desire to quickly conclude the Trans Pacific Partnership talks.


Peter Martin, Philip Dorling
I'll find the link shortly.
From a Canadian perspective, there is good news and bad news. The good news is that Canada is pushing back against many U.S. demands by promoting provisions that are consistent with current Canadian law. Canada is often joined by New Zealand, Malaysia, Mexico, Chile, Vietnam, Peru, and Brunei Darussalam. Japan and Singapore are part of this same group on many issues. Interestingly, Canada has also promoted Canadian-specific solutions on many issues. The bad news is that the U.S. - often joined by Australia - is demanding that Canada rollback its recent copyright reform legislation with a long list of draconian proposals.
Another pointless quote. :du
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Re: AUS ready for higher heathcare costs?

Post by Rorschach » Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:25 pm

Labor 'alarmed' at suggestions Tony Abbott may veto GrainCorp sale

LABOR has expressed alarm at suggestions Tony Abbott may prevail upon Joe Hockey to block the multi-billion dollar sale of GrainCorp to a foreign buyer.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 6760934903

Oh dear mantra....
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