Unemployment benefits could stop for under 30's

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Unemployment benefits could stop for under 30's

Post by mantra » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:21 am

I'm not sure whether this is a good idea or not - but if it goes ahead, it should be introduced gradually. I was in the full time workforce at 16 and didn't know there was a dole until about 10 years later. It didn't occur to anyone I knew back then that you could get money without working. There were no internet job sites or mobile phones so you job hunted through newspapers and on foot, but there were always plenty of jobs available.

Now there is a whole new generation who haven't got a clue how to put in the hard yards and employers have a huge choice of probably a couple of hundred applicants each time they advertise for a position.

Abbott has said that if there are no unemployment benefits for under 30's - then they can fill many of the vacancies in the mines. It sounds good in theory, but not everyone is suitable for mine work or the harsh conditions which go with it.

Have the younger generation had it too easy and will cutting them off from the very basic necessities of life encourage them to look in faraway places for work? Considering the largesse Howard dished out during his term to the parents of many of these young people - have they been spoiled and are they now too soft to do manual labour?
TONY Abbott has proposed banning the dole for people under 30 in a bid to entice the unemployed to head west and fill massive skill shortages in the booming resources sector. The Opposition Leader made the controversial remarks during a two-hour meeting with about 15 senior resources industry leaders in Perth on Monday night.Mr Abbott told the roundtable briefing he believed stopping dole payments to able-bodied young people would take pressure off the welfare system and reduce the need to bring in large numbers of skilled migrants to staff mining projects.

His comments were attacked last night by Australian Workers Union national secretary Paul Howes, who described them as "Hansonesque"."If he genuinely thinks you are going to solve an economically crippling skills shortage by taking punitive measures against welfare recipients, he has clearly never lived in the real world," Mr Howes said. "You can't just get any old Joe off the street and plonk them into a mine, and think that's going to mean they can work.

"Six of the attendees confirmed yesterday that Mr Abbott had raised the idea of banning welfare payments for young people to encourage them to fill the thousands of jobs emerging in states such as Western Australia and Queensland."He said he was thinking more and more about it, with a view to formulating something on it," said one of the participants, who asked not to be named.Another recalled: "He definitely said it was something he was considering as a policy."A third executive said: "It certainly wasn't a throwaway line. He brought up the issue twice during the meeting."Mr Abbott also told the business leaders that safety mechanisms would be needed under such a scheme to protect disabled people or those with mental health problems.

And he raised the possibility that employers would need to be given funding to train the unemployed, according to those present.Some of the business leaders were surprised by the remarks, while others were impressed Mr Abbott was considering new measures to address the labour shortages in Western Australia that threaten to crimp the next resources boom."I thought to myself: here is a guy who thinks outside the square," said one participant.The Minerals Council of Australia said the number of workers in the resources sector would need to grow by about 86,000 in the next decade to maintain Australia's share of global minerals markets.It said 31,000 of those workers would need to be skilled tradespeople.

The demand for labour is expected to be most severe in Western Australia, which has about $200 billion in resources projects either under way or in the pipeline.This is led by the $43bn Gorgon liquefied natural gas project on Barrow Island and the planned expansion of Woodside Petroleum's Pluto gas plant near Karratha.Among the attendees at Mr Abbott's roundtable were BHP Billiton iron ore chief executive Ian Ashby, Rio Tinto's Pilbara managing director Greg Lilleyman, Woodside general counsel Rob Cole, Fortescue Metals Group director Graeme Rowley, Gindalbie Metals chief executive Garret Dixon and Inpex's Australian head, Seiya Ito.Mr Abbott's views echo comments he made as employment services minister in 2000 when he announced that people on the dole in South Australia's Riverland would be required to seek fruit harvest work before receiving benefits.

Last night a spokeswoman for Mr Abbott confirmed he had made the remarks about the dole to the mining leaders.The spokeswoman said Mr Abbott had posed a question about the dole for the benefit of the argument and the debate at the meeting.But, she said, Mr Abbott's comments did not mean the approach was Coalition policy.

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Re: Unemployment benefits could stop for under 30's

Post by IQS.RLOW » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:52 am

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Re: Unemployment benefits could stop for under 30's

Post by Jovial_Monk » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:11 am

There no longer is a huge demand for workers in the increasingly automated mines now the huge investment surge is about over. I guess it is what the monkey thought sounded good to his target audience—the old and the well off. Doubt we will see anything actually happen.

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Re: Unemployment benefits could stop for under 30's

Post by Rorschach » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:07 pm

mantra has some good points. I'm not sure what period JM is targeting though 1700s?
Now there is a whole new generation who haven't got a clue how to put in the hard yards and employers have a huge choice of probably a couple of hundred applicants each time they advertise for a position.
The unemployment rates are higher than the official figures and there are more people looking for work especially full time work these days all over Australia.
Abbott has said that if there are no unemployment benefits for under 30's - then they can fill many of the vacancies in the mines. It sounds good in theory, but not everyone is suitable for mine work or the harsh conditions which go with it.


The problems with mining employment are many, IMO most are related to;
1/ Lack of training.
2/ Employment/Recruitment nepotism.
TONY Abbott has proposed banning the dole for people under 30 in a bid to entice the unemployed to head west and fill massive skill shortages in the booming resources sector. The Opposition Leader made the controversial remarks during a two-hour meeting with about 15 senior resources industry leaders in Perth on Monday night.Mr Abbott told the roundtable briefing he believed stopping dole payments to able-bodied young people would take pressure off the welfare system and reduce the need to bring in large numbers of skilled migrants to staff mining projects.
No doubt if people could get jobs in the mining industry then that would help with unemployment. But getting a job is the difficult part. Training is not readily available for the unemployed and unskilled. Mining companies would rather import labour than train up Australians. Employment/recruitment scams are common and expensive, mostly out of the financial abilities of the unemployed if they prove genuine. Nepotism and provincialism is alive and well in the mining industry. And as mantra pointed out, not everyone is cut out for the life of a miner. Obviously companies are also reticent to spend money on training someone then have them leave because they can't cope with the work or the lifestyle.
His comments were attacked last night by Australian Workers Union national secretary Paul Howes, who described them as "Hansonesque"."If he genuinely thinks you are going to solve an economically crippling skills shortage by taking punitive measures against welfare recipients, he has clearly never lived in the real world," Mr Howes said. "You can't just get any old Joe off the street and plonk them into a mine, and think that's going to mean they can work.
Well the Hanson comment was crap but at least Howes got it right about plonking people into jobs.
"Six of the attendees confirmed yesterday that Mr Abbott had raised the idea of banning welfare payments for young people to encourage them to fill the thousands of jobs emerging in states such as Western Australia and Queensland."He said he was thinking more and more about it, with a view to formulating something on it," said one of the participants, who asked not to be named.Another recalled: "He definitely said it was something he was considering as a policy."A third executive said: "It certainly wasn't a throwaway line. He brought up the issue twice during the meeting."Mr Abbott also told the business leaders that safety mechanisms would be needed under such a scheme to protect disabled people or those with mental health problems.
Not policy. Just a thought bubble at the moment. let's hope some sensible experienced people have input to the policy development then.
And he raised the possibility that employers would need to be given funding to train the unemployed, according to those present.Some of the business leaders were surprised by the remarks, while others were impressed Mr Abbott was considering new measures to address the labour shortages in Western Australia that threaten to crimp the next resources boom."I thought to myself: here is a guy who thinks outside the square," said one participant.The Minerals Council of Australia said the number of workers in the resources sector would need to grow by about 86,000 in the next decade to maintain Australia's share of global minerals markets.It said 31,000 of those workers would need to be skilled tradespeople.
It's a pity the mining "leaders" don't think outside the square then. How about using some of the closed mines as training facilities and using their human resources to provide training... experienced people with skills that can train, but no longer wish to work the hours or cannot work the hours on the job. Both government and the industry have been myopic for a great many years.
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Re: Unemployment benefits could stop for under 30's

Post by Rorschach » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:28 pm

oh almost forgot....

* by: EXCLUSIVE: Andrew Burrell
* From: The Australian
* April 21, 2010 12:00A


I doubt that an article from 2010 is relevant today mantra... it wasn't policy then and isn't policy now.

Oh and if you and Aussie are getting your topic ideas from OZPOLITIC then that isn't necessarily a bad idea, but at least do your homework first.
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Re: Unemployment benefits could stop for under 30's

Post by mantra » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:45 pm

Yes - I realised when it was too late that it was an old article. Sprint put it up and disagreed with it. I didn't actually disagree - so I put it up here. It may very well appear on Abbott's agenda eventually. Even Rudd suggested a boot camp for the young and unemployed. That sounds harsh, but it might actually give some of our aimless young a little direction and discipline, which can't be a bad thing in the long term.

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Re: Unemployment benefits could stop for under 30's

Post by Rorschach » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:40 pm

The problem isn't the unemployed it's the mining industry.
Many people would like to work in it yet cannot due to their lack of interest in training the untrained in appropriate skills or taking on unskilled people outside their gene pool.
Forcing young people down a mineshaft will not be beneficial for anyone.
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Re: Unemployment benefits could stop for under 30's

Post by Aussie » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:54 pm

Rorschach wrote:oh almost forgot....

* by: EXCLUSIVE: Andrew Burrell
* From: The Australian
* April 21, 2010 12:00A


I doubt that an article from 2010 is relevant today mantra... it wasn't policy then and isn't policy now.

Oh and if you and Aussie are getting your topic ideas from OZPOLITIC then that isn't necessarily a bad idea, but at least do your homework first.
Why do you have to drag me into your kindergarden crap?

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Re: Unemployment benefits could stop for under 30's

Post by Neferti » Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:14 pm

Aussie wrote:
Rorschach wrote:oh almost forgot....

* by: EXCLUSIVE: Andrew Burrell
* From: The Australian
* April 21, 2010 12:00A


I doubt that an article from 2010 is relevant today mantra... it wasn't policy then and isn't policy now.

Oh and if you and Aussie are getting your topic ideas from OZPOLITIC then that isn't necessarily a bad idea, but at least do your homework first.
Why do you have to drag me into your kindergarden crap?
It is kindergarten. It is a German word meaning "children's garden". However .....

As Rorschach says (and so do others) you very rarely post anything in the POLITICAL area but complain about me (and others) for trying to introduce some sort of Political DISCUSSION. All you do, Aussie, is snipe from the sidelines.

ON TOPIC

The Abbott idea about mines is years old. Unsustainable. However, I think "threatening" to cut off the dole for under 30's is a great idea, provided they are given a certain time to Find a Job. Most of these kids are living off their parents anyway. If parents are prepared to have their young adults hanging around the house, unemployed, that's their problem. They have brought up kids who are worse than useless. There ARE jobs out there ... maybe not exactly what you want to do, within walking distance or pay the money you think you are worth but hey ....
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Re: Unemployment benefits could stop for under 30's

Post by Aussie » Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:20 pm

Ya know Nappy, I just looked really, really, really hard, and stuffed if I can find your meaningful contribution in this Thread. Can you show it to me please. (You wouldn't be just sniping from the sidelines would you?)

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