Immigration making housing unaffordable?

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Immigration making housing unaffordable?

Post by kevin457 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:37 am

I found an interesting article on the Drum, and was wondering if housing prices have become more affordable under a Labor government.

Immigration a strain on housing


Posted Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:41am AEST

I have seen estimates of up to 300,000 immigrants (some 'temporary' on 457 visas) coming into Australia each year.

All of these need housing, food, infrastructure and the like. Immigration is a federal responsibility, should the Federal Government therefore not be acting, perhaps with the states, to provide this housing? I think we now know why housing is unaffordable! Similarly, the Federal Government should be providing money for the health and education needs of all these migrants. The Curtin/Chifley Labor governments certainly brought in huge numbers of migrants and demobilising soldiers and managed their housing and other needs without huge inflation, unlike now!

And can Australia support this huge inflow? The Murray/Darling system is running on empty, we are importing food from China (food I wouldn't eat!) bush is disappearing etc.

I have not heard anything from the Howard Government to admit this problem, they are even hiding the real immigration numbers! That inflow, and Howard's profligate, desperate spending to buy votes will ensure interest rates will keep on rising and rising and housing affordability recede aver further.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-08-06/i ... ng/2523332

It would appear that housing prices continue to soar under a Labor government.

http://housingstressed.org.au/wp-conten ... System.pdf


Even more than they did under a Howard government.

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Re: Immigration making housing unaffordable?

Post by Rorschach » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:39 am

Well we all know Kevin wants a BIG Australia. :roll:
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Re: Immigration making housing unaffordable?

Post by kevin457 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:00 pm

See, not even our die-hard Labor supporters want a "Big Australia" ... as has been demonstrated by the Drum article linked to the first post of this thread titled "Immigration a strain on housing" written back in 2007 by a dedicated, albeit hypocritical anti-Big Australia Labor supporter.

You see...

When it happens on Howards watch, they were the first to whinge/write about it, yet when it occurs on Rudd's, then Gillards, then back to Rudds .......It's silence!

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Re: Immigration making housing unaffordable?

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:11 pm

Well I'm a mongrel, bitsa this and bitsa that (English, Scot, Irish X Irish, Afgan, German), which all migrated here, have an adopted sister from Korea, had girlfriends from various places (Fiji, PNG, Japan, ect) and I've been saying for 20 years or more immigration should be halted. Completely. Not just because of the competition for reasonable priced rentals, but for the congestion and general lowering of living standards for those already here, which intensifies yearly with our average 200,000 intake. That's a million new people every five years, who need somewhere to sleep, eat and $#!+, plus most require some form of welfare benefit.

Thirty odd years ago, or there abouts, the CSIRO came out with a statement that Australia could only sustainably support a population of twelve million people. At the time Oz's pop was about fourteen million, so two milllion over capacity at the time. People don't seem to realise without our lifestyle being subsidided by cheap petro-chemical fertilisers and mining, we would have no export industries and probably barely enough food to fight over.

So .. these characters from all over the world, for whatever reason, want to come here and impact on my lifestyle.
Well tough titties, I'm sick of being responsible for everyone else's problem people.
If I was dictator, immigration would be abolished, and the govt dept responsible for, morphed into the Dept of Deportation.
But what this country needs is a civil war, so we have an opportunity to ethically cleanse ourselves back down to a sustainable population.
Conducting such activity on the grounds of ethnicity may be unfair, heartless, ect ect, but in reality that's generally how it's done.

Want an angry population?

Simple, just import more people.
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Re: Immigration making housing unaffordable?

Post by kevin457 » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:05 am

Outlaw Yogi wrote:Well I'm a mongrel, bitsa this and bitsa that (English, Scot, Irish X Irish, Afgan, German), which all migrated here, have an adopted sister from Korea, had girlfriends from various places (Fiji, PNG, Japan, ect) and I've been saying for 20 years or more immigration should be halted. Completely. Not just because of the competition for reasonable priced rentals, but for the congestion and general lowering of living standards for those already here, which intensifies yearly with our average 200,000 intake. That's a million new people every five years, who need somewhere to sleep, eat and $#!+, plus most require some form of welfare benefit.

Thirty odd years ago, or there abouts, the CSIRO came out with a statement that Australia could only sustainably support a population of twelve million people. At the time Oz's pop was about fourteen million, so two milllion over capacity at the time. People don't seem to realise without our lifestyle being subsidided by cheap petro-chemical fertilisers and mining, we would have no export industries and probably barely enough food to fight over.

So .. these characters from all over the world, for whatever reason, want to come here and impact on my lifestyle.
Well tough titties, I'm sick of being responsible for everyone else's problem people.
If I was dictator, immigration would be abolished, and the govt dept responsible for, morphed into the Dept of Deportation.
But what this country needs is a civil war, so we have an opportunity to ethically cleanse ourselves back down to a sustainable population.
Conducting such activity on the grounds of ethnicity may be unfair, heartless, ect ect, but in reality that's generally how it's done.

Want an angry population?

Simple, just import more people.

We need to stop the boats and slow immigration down, at least until our infrastructure, education, employment and housing sectors catch up.



We have migrants staying in motels and hotels at the tax payers expense, paying a nightly rate ... because we have no place else to put them.


1) They should be financially secure. This is, not require government housing or expect government benefits for a goven period of time as we have enough existing Australians waiting on government housing registers for several or more years, particularly the elderly and disabled.
Why should immigrants and refugees be given priority housing over existing Australians?
Charity begins at home.

2) Should be a skilled worker, skilled in an area where we have a GENUINE shortage of skilled workers.
3) Be prepared to assimilate, become Australians. Naturalise. Attend classes to learn what it means to be Australian, learn our culture, our way of life.
4) Be able to speak English, our national language before they get here.
5) And be in good health.
6) Should not have a criminal record, minor infringements ok.
...............

I could list more, but it's time I hit the sack.

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Re: Immigration making housing unaffordable?

Post by Chard » Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:00 am

kevin457 wrote:See, not even our die-hard Labor supporters want a "Big Australia" ... as has been demonstrated by the Drum article linked to the first post of this thread titled "Immigration a strain on housing" written back in 2007 by a dedicated, albeit hypocritical anti-Big Australia Labor supporter.
1. That wasn't an article, it was an opinion piece and one that lacked anything more substantive then some loud-mouth ranting about "immigrants".

2. Unless your immigration rates have somehow managed to surpass your native population growth, the effect immigration has on housing costs in negligible. In the US we see far more immigration, both legal and illegal, than Australia and it has had no effect at all on increasing housing or property costs. In fact, it's had the opposite effect with property values, and hence rental and purchase prices, dropping in areas with higher immigrant populations.

You want to know what's really driving up your housing and property costs? It's called having a stable growing economy. As the economy produces more, the more money people have to spend, the more prices increase (seriously, this is basic supply-demand economics, if you haven't figured this much out yet then I'd be amazed if you know how to balance your checkbook). The thing is, your current political leadership isn't really responsible as the sort of economic prosperity Australia is currently enjoying doesn't happen over night and is most likely the result of policy decisions made a decade or more ago.

Want to blame someone for the rise in housing? You'll find it's the same as me trying to figure out who to blame for my country's economic state. You start with whoever was in charge of your government's economic policies starting around 2000 and work back to about 1980 or so and there's your guilty parties.
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Re: Immigration making housing unaffordable?

Post by IQS.RLOW » Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:41 am

2. Unless your immigration rates have somehow managed to surpass your native population growth
Longterm, Its running at 60:40 for immigration:natural although recent years has seen that much higher
Australia’s population growth in 2008–09 was made up of 157 792 people through natural increase and 285 347 people through net overseas migration.
Then we have state to state migration which with the mining boom over the last 10 years has seen Western Australia growth topping the rest of Australia. Our housing prices are now about on par with Sydney.

Much of the housing bubble in Oz over the last 10-20 years has been caused by a number of factors. Demand as per above is one, but land supply has typically been stymied by Green politics giving us red tape and slowing the ability to dynamically address being able to increase land availability (its not as if we have a shortage of it) when circumstances indicate that supply is becoming constrained.
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Re: Immigration making housing unaffordable?

Post by Rorschach » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:47 am

3) Be prepared to assimilate, become Australians. Naturalise. Attend classes to learn what it means to be Australian, learn our culture, our way of life.
Nope.... we have multiculti...
4) Be able to speak English, our national language before they get here.
Nope asylum seekers and refugees are exempt.

Csoft... hate to tell you bud, but we are more stable than the US.
Our housing shortages which are exacerbated by population numbers and governments making bad decisions re availability for land etc are what primarily drive out=r prices up... you do understand supply and demand right? :roll: :roll: :roll: :h
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