ALP subsidises loggers, silences protest groups

[IQS.RLOW]

Does anyone else see the problems here?
1. The ALP is silencing protest under threat of 'we will make it a logging free for all if you don't shut up'

2. The shut out of logging has no scientific, economic or social base to stand on based on the ALP threat.

The creation of this legislative poison pill is equivalent to telling a union that if it strikes for better conditions then the minimum wage will be cut, or telling human rights groups that if they protest for improved treatment of asylum seekers the annual intake of refugees will be cut.

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Part of the deal between the loss-making loggers and the three relevant environment groups (Australian Conservation Foundation, the Wilderness Society and Environment Tasmania) included a so-called durability clause. The deal not only delivers a swag of taxpayers’ dollars to the loggers but the environment movement has to promise to stop protesting about native forest logging. Specifically, the ACF, the Wilderness Society and Environment Tasmania have not only promised to abandon further logging protests, they have also promised to help silence other environmentalists

“Silence”. Rather than encourage the green groups that were part of this $350 million deal to prop up a failing industry to debate those who think they are mad, the Prime Minister called on the critics to be “silenced”, and she meant it. The durability clause spells out the consequences for failing to stifle criticism: if either house of the Tasmanian Parliament deems that “substantial active protest” has occurred then forest reserves will be open to logging.

[mantra]

Your article is an extreme opinion only. I'll hunt around a bit later to find out exactly what this is about because the writer, some fool, from the allegedly corrupt Australia Institute wrote this. He supplied no facts only unsubstantiated propaganda. It's no surprise you honed in on it IQ, but there is more to this story.

Howard committed hundreds of millions of dollars towards maintaining the deforestation industry also. The Tasmanian Forestry Commission and all it's affiliates including Labor and the Libs are corrupt in Tasmania.

All I can say is thank goodness Bob Brown got out of the Greens when he did. The criminals involved in the deforestation industry in Tasmania would have killed him otherwise.

[IQS.RLOW]

Your article is an extreme opinion only. I'll hunt around a bit later to find out exactly what this is about because the writer, some fool, from the allegedly corrupt Australia Institute wrote this.

Dear oh dear Mantra...

The Institute is acknowledged as Australia’s most influential progressive think tank. Prior to his appointment at The Australia Institute, Denniss was Senior Strategic Advisor to Australian Greens Leader Senator Bob Brown

[Neferti]

Your article is an extreme opinion only. I'll hunt around a bit later to find out exactly what this is about because the writer, some fool, from the allegedly corrupt Australia Institute wrote this.

Dear oh dear Mantra...

The Institute is acknowledged as Australia’s most influential progressive think tank. Prior to his appointment at The Australia Institute, Denniss was Senior Strategic Advisor to Australian Greens Leader Senator Bob Brown

He must be a dickhead, then and his opinion not worth bothering with.

[mantra]

Prior to his appointment at The Australia Institute, Denniss was Senior Strategic Advisor to Australian Greens Leader Senator Bob Brown

That reference is Denniss's claim to fame. His appointment at the Australia Institute was in 2004 and there is no reference as to actually when he was a Strategy Advisor to the Greens - it could have been in the 90's for all we know. He calls himself a lefty, but he's a mate of Clive Palmer and seems to put on a different cap to befit whatever occasion he's being paid for. He's superficially progressive.

Nonetheless having checked the "facts" out, his story is true unfortunately. Gillard, the unions & the logging industry have outmaneuvered the Wilderness Society, the Australian Conservation Foundation and Environment Tasmania. Some of the Greens MP's as advocates for these environmental groups have helped enable this legislation and unwittingly or not - they appear to be taking a different direction since Bob Brown resigned from the party.

However Bob Brown has plenty to say on this issue and hopefully will do what he does best and that is start lobbying various groups and communities to encourage boycotting Tasmanian timber products in Japan.

Mr Brown says he is prepared to lobby against Tasmanian timber products in Japan, an action which could undermine the forest peace deal.

He says he will not be silenced.

"If the Japanese buyers ask me about taking products out of Tasmania I'll be telling them that you can't do that without your destroying the habitat of rare and endangered species," he said.

"I think many supporters of the Wilderness Society will be horrified at the prospect of it going to Japan to support the sale of Ta Ann's produce."

The Wilderness Society rejects Mr Brown's criticism.

Spokesman Vica Bayley says signing the forest peace deal keeps the chances of creating new reserves alive.

The passage of the bill will unlock hundreds of millions of dollars in Commonwealth funding to help the industry restructure.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-06/b ... al/4672514

Good on you Bobby.

[IQS.RLOW]

You have just dissed Denniss for presenting exactly the same position as Brown...

Tell me, how the fuck do you manage to sleep at night?
That isn't a reference to your conscience either. I mean how does a mind as narrow as yours manage to keep you alive when that single brain cell drifts off?

[mantra]

You have just dissed Denniss for presenting exactly the same position as Brown...

I said his story was true, but he flip flops all over the place. He wasn't just a strategist for the Greens at one time, he's an advocate for anyone who pays him enough. I bet you didn't look further than the article.

Now that you've had your little dummy spit....

The ALP is silencing protest under threat of 'we will make it a logging free for all if you don't shut up'

It looks like it's a done deal already and silencing protestors might just be a threat after the fact.

[IQS.RLOW]

He's a progressive Leftwinger...and his argument is about how the ALP have twisted the arms of the Greens and NGOs to shut up...exactly as Bob Brown has done.

What exactly in his article do you disagree with? Or are you struggling to come to terms with two leftwing groups who are are pieces of shit and your loyalties have confused your brain so you can't tell if you support the Greens or the ALP?

[mantra]

He's a progressive Leftwinger...and his argument is about how the ALP have twisted the arms of the Greens and NGOs to shut up...exactly as Bob Brown has done.

What exactly in his article do you disagree with? Or are you struggling to come to terms with two leftwing groups who are are pieces of shit and your loyalties have confused your brain so you can't tell if you support the Greens or the ALP?

Try and stick to the topic for a change without your Tourettes disrupting every thread. Otherwise go away.

I skimmed through the article this morning and said I'd get back when I checked the story out, which I did. Regardless of whether the story is true or not, it hasn't changed my opinion on Denniss. Perhaps he wants a job as a strategist for one of Bob Brown's new projects and is doing his part to project the right image?

I am not only disappointed with the Greens senators who backed this new legislation, I am disgusted with Gillard's willingness to sell off the Tasmanian wilderness to the logging industry.

If you can't comprehend - then waddle off and go abuse someone else. It's impossible for you to give a literate and intelligent response. You understand nothing and that's why you fill your posts with filth to distract from the real issue being that you're as dense as cow dung.

[Jovial_Monk]

The Tas state Greens voted for this.

Some forest will still get logged yet most wilderness now protected.

The Canberra Greens should butt out—they should concentrate on winning back the 3% or so support they have lost since 2010.