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Re: climate change and how the left has been misleading public

Post by HIGHERBEAM » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:28 pm

You are right S/N it is scary that the left wing politicians are still hanging on to the belief of global warming and are now trying to discredit their own scientist's to promote their case.NZ's scientists are getting sued so that they admit there data is guess work and work from a thesis and taken on board as work of their own.there defence is that ,yes there is no scientific data but they are the scientists,scary sht. :mrgreen:
Niwa sued over data accuracy

The country’s state-owned weather and atmospheric research body is being taken to court in a challenge over the accuracy of its data used to calculate global warming.

The New Zealand Climate Science Coalition said it had lodged papers with the High Court asking the court to invalidate the official temperatures record of the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (Niwa).

The lobby of climate sceptics and ACT Party have long criticised Niwa over its temperature data, which Niwa says is mainstream science and not controversial, and the raw data publicly available.

The coalition said the New Zealand Temperature Records (NZTR) were the historical base of NIWA’s advice to the Government on issues relating to climate change.

Coalition spokesman Bryan Leyland said many scientists believed although the earth had been warming for 150 years, it had not heated as much as Government archives claimed.

He said the New Zealand Meteorological Service had shown no warming during the past century but Niwa had adjusted its records to show a warming trend of 1degC. The warming figure was high and almost 50 percent above the global average, said Mr Leyland.

”Twentieth-century temperature records are now being challenged all around the world” said Bryan Leyland, spokesman for the NZCSET. “But I think we are the first country where the issues are to be placed squarely before an independent judicial forum.”
“Many scientists believe that, although the earth has been in a natural warming phase for the past 150 years, it has not heated as much as Government archives claim. The precise trend figure is extremely important, as it forms the sole basis of the claim that human activities are the dominant cause of the warming.

“The New Zealand Met Service record shows no warming during the last century, but NIWA has adopted a series of invariably downward adjustments in the period prior to World War 2. Because these move the old temperature records downwards, the 7SS NZTR shows a huge bounce-back of over 1°C in the first half of the century” said Mr. Leyland. “Although this is out of line with dozens of other records, and has been the subject of sustained questioning by both the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition and the ACT party, NIWA refuses to accept that there are serious problems with the adjustments. In fact, no one has been able to explain exactly how they were arrived at.”

The Court proceedings also allege bias and unethical conduct on the part of NIWA’s National Climate Centre. These are based partly on NIWA allegedly delegating the NZTR decision to a former employee, James Salinger, knowing that he had a vested interest in an untested theory put forward in his own 1981 thesis. NIWA also knew that the data and calculations for that theory had been lost, and, thus could not be replicated.

The Court will be asked to rule that NIWA has refused to repudiate the current NZTR in order to avoid political embarrassment, and feared loss of public confidence in the objectivity of its scientists. The proceedings were filed and served this week, and NIWA has up to a month to respond.

Full story here:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4026330 ... a-accuracy
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Re: climate change and how the left has been misleading public

Post by Super Nova » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:40 pm

BH

The thing that now really scares me is that I have had until now an unshackable respect for the opinions of the scientific community. i always viewed them as independent and a source a truth. This is a shock because this assumption is now called into question in my mind.

Where is the source of truth nowadays if it is not the scientific community?
No-one can be trusted to speak the truth anymore.....

Sad day for humanity when everyone is tarred with an air of the corrupt.
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Re: climate change and how the left has been misleading public

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Re: climate change and how the left has been misleading public

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:11 pm

Well lets see .. 1st the denialists claimed Global Warming is not happening, and stalled action for over a decade.
Then the records show the denial crowds claims to be pure fantasy, so now they accept Global Warming is our reality but its caused by something other than GHGs .. currently the scapegoat is the sun .. and when that proves fruitless they'll blame undersea vulcanism .. or something else .. anything at all no matter how ridiculous, just so long as it creates a distraction from our predicament.

Now ..

Published on Thursday, October 28, 2010 by Associated Press
Largest US Polluters Want EPA to Keep Their Emissions Secret from Public
Companies Want EPA to Keep Some Global Warming Information Secret in First-Ever Inventory
Reproduced @
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/10/28-3

Meanwhile the US's National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration
has released ..
Arctic Report Card: Region Continues to Warm at Unprecedented Rate


http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories201 ... tcard.html
Arctic Report Card 2010
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/

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Re: climate change and how the left has been misleading public

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:29 pm

Old material now, from 07 or 08, stashed away in an old email file, but completely relevant to my comments on GW/CC denialists/skeptics fantasies and fairytales concerning the phenomena ...

The only argument/point I agree with is "We can't do anything about climate change" which is at the {*very bottom of this post}. The reason I agree with it is time frame related, in that we could have taken remedial action and acheived tangible results if we'd done something 20 years ago, but now that methane clathrates from under sea floors and tundra permafrosts are thawing ( since 2007) it's too late to avert runaway global warming.
* Site's system says too many links, so will place in a 2nd post.

ExxonMobil’s Tobacco-like Disinformation Campaign on Global Warming Science
A new report from the Union of Concerned Scientists offers the most comprehensive documentation to date of how ExxonMobil has adopted the tobacco industry's disinformation tactics, as well as some of the same organizations and personnel, to cloud the scientific understanding of climate change and delay action on the issue. According to the report, ExxonMobil has funneled nearly $16 million between 1998 and 2005 to a network of 43 advocacy organizations that seek to confuse the public on global warming science.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/sc ... s-hot.html

NASA climate scientist claims he's been silenced
NASA's top climate scientist said the Bush administration has tried to stop him from speaking out since he gave a lecture in December calling for prompt reductions in emissions of greenhouse gases, The New York Times said.

In an interview with the newspaper, James Hansen, director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, said that officials at the space agency's headquarters had ordered the public affairs staff to review his lectures, papers, postings on the Goddard website and requests for interviews from journalists.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=84236

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Ominous Arctic Melt Worries Experts
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/12/12/5795/
An already relentless melting of the Arctic greatly accelerated this summer, a warning sign that some scientists worry could mean global warming has passed an ominous tipping point. One even speculated that summer sea ice would be gone in five years.1212 09

Greenland’s ice sheet melted nearly 19 billion tons more than the previous high mark, and the volume of Arctic sea ice at summer’s end was half what it was just four years earlier, according to new NASA satellite data obtained by The Associated Press.
NASA’s “Tipping Points” panel and slide show materials:
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/tipping_points.html
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The Heat is On
http://www.heatisonline.org/main.cfm

Clash of the Titans
Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Ross Gelbspan's reveals how politicians, big oil and coal, the media, and even activists have fueled the climate crisis -- and how we might still avert disaster.

This excerpt traces what Gelbspan describes as a corrupt relationship between the Bush administration and the fossil-fuel industry
Under the administration of George W. Bush, the White House has become the East Coast branch office of ExxonMobil and Peabody Coal, and climate change has become the preeminent case study of the contamination of our political system by money
ExxonMobil and the Bush administration have also united in sowing climate change disinformation and deception among U.S. citizens. By 2001, ExxonMobil had replaced the coal industry as the major funder of prominent "greenhouse skeptics," a handful of "experts" who spout bogus science, raising doubts about climate change to preempt the public's demand for action. By 2003, ExxonMobil was giving more than $1 million a year to an array of right-wing organizations opposing action on climate change -- including the Competitive Enterprise Institute, Frontiers of Freedom, the George C. Marshall Institute, the American Legislative Exchange Council, and the American Council for Capital Formation Center for Policy Research.

The striking success of the fossil-fuel lobby's disinformation strategy is reflected in two Newsweek polls. The first, in 1991 -- prior to the industry's global-warming misinformation campaign -- found that 35 percent of Americans saw global warming as a serious problem. By 1996, that share shrank to 22 percent -- despite the advent of far more conclusive science, documenting human-caused global warming.

The usefulness of bogus science was not lost on the Luntz Group, a private consulting firm advising Bush on climate policy presentation. "Americans ... believe all environmental rules and regulations should be based on sound science and common sense," said a Luntz memo. "Similarly our confidence in the ability of science and technology to solve our nation's ills is second to none. Both perceptions will work in your favor if properly cultivated."

Sure enough, a new effort by the "skeptics" surfaced in spring 2003. A study by lead authors Sallie Baliunas and Willie Soon at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and published in an obscure journal, Climate Research, concluded that the 20th century is neither the warmest century, nor the century with the most extreme weather, of the past 1,000 years. Both researchers had previously contended that the recent warming was due, almost entirely, to solar variations -- a finding long since disproved by peer-reviewed scientific studies.

As it turns out, the report by Baliunas and Soon was funded in part by the American Petroleum Institute. It was also coauthored by Craig Idso and Sherwood Idso, whose Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide has been funded by the coal industry and ExxonMobil.
Stepping back, it becomes clear that the climate crisis represents a titanic clash of interests. It pits the survival, as we know it, of the biggest commercial enterprise in history -- big coal and oil -- against the survival of the planet and its people. It also pits the fossil fuel industry-dominated Bush administration against the rest of the world.
http://www.grist.org/advice/books/2004/ ... n-boiling/

Tony Jones speaks with Ross Gelbspan about global warming
ROSS GELBSPAN: In the US right now the Federal Government spends about US$25 billion every year subsidising coal and oil. In the industrial world overall that figure is about $200 billion a year. We're saying take those subsidies away from coal and oil, put them behind renewables, several things will happen. The oil companies will follow the subsidies and there will become aggressive developers of solar panels and wind mills and fuel cells and so forth. I think that subsidy switch would bring out of the woodwork an army of energy entrepeneurs and engineers with successive generations of turbines and I think that would be the kind - almost like an explosion of creativity in the energy field that would rival the dot.com revolution of the 1990s.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/ ... 720435.htm

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Re: climate change and how the left has been misleading public

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:31 pm

* Part 2

Climate change: A guide for the perplexed
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... tter&nsref

With so much at stake, it is right that climate science is subjected to the most intense scrutiny. What does not help is for the real issues to be muddied by discredited arguments or wild theories.

So for those who are not sure what to believe, here is our round-up of the 26 most common climate myths and misconceptions.

There is also a guide to assessing the evidence. In the articles we've included lots of links to primary research and major reports for those who want to follow through to the original sources.

Can we trust the science?

• Chaotic systems are not predictable
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11641

• We can't trust computer models of climate
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11649

• Many leading scientists question climate change
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11654

• It's all a conspiracy
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11653

• They predicted global cooling in the 1970s
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11643

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Re: climate change and how the left has been misleading public

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:33 pm

* Part 3
Is the sun to blame?

• Global warming is down to the Sun, not humans
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11650

• It’s all down to cosmic rays
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11651

Does CO2 cause warming?

• Human CO2 emissions are too tiny to matter
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11638

• CO2 isn't the most important greenhouse gas
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11652

• Ice cores show CO2 increases lag behind temperature rises, disproving the link to global warming
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11659

• Ice cores show CO2 rising as temperatures fell
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11640

• The cooling after 1940 shows CO2 does not cause warming
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11639

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Re: climate change and how the left has been misleading public

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:35 pm

* Part 4

What happened in the past?

• The 'hockey stick' graph has been proven wrong
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11646

• It's been far warmer in the past, what's the big deal?
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11647

• It was warmer during the Medieval period, with vineyards in England
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11644

• We are simply recovering from the Little Ice Age
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11645

What is happening now?

• Mars and Pluto are warming too
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11642

• Antarctica is getting cooler, not warmer, disproving global warming
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11648

• Polar bear numbers are increasing
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11656

• The lower atmosphere is cooling, not warming
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11660

• The oceans are cooling
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11664

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Re: climate change and how the left has been misleading public

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:35 pm

* Part 5


What is going to happen?

• Warming will cause an ice age in Europe
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11838

• Higher CO2 levels will boost plant growth and food production
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11655

• Hurricane Katrina was caused by global warming
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11661

Why should I worry?

• It's too cold where I live - warming will be great
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11657

• We can't do anything about climate change
http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... ge/dn11658

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Re: climate change and how the left has been misleading public

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:38 pm

A Govt Versus Its People on Climate Change
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=53611
A large majority of Canadians want urgent action on climate, including redirecting military expenditures to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. In sharp contrast, the Stephen Harper-led Conservative minority government used parliamentary trickery to kill pending legislation to reduce emissions that had already been passed by the majority of Canada's elected representatives.

"This is a real low point in Canadian democracy," said Andrew Weaver, a climate scientist at the University of Victoria.

"It's an abuse of democracy like we've never seen before in this country," Weaver told IPS.

Canada has a multi-party parliamentary system. In May, a majority of Canada's elected members of parliament (MPs) passed Bill C-311, the Climate Change Accountability Act, committing the country to a 25 percent reduction in greenhouse gases by 2020. The only reason Bill C-311 passed is that the anti-climate-action Harper government has just one-third of the votes.

After Bill C-311 was passed, unelected senators in the Canadian Senate were supposed to review and debate its merits and then pass the bill into law as per usual. The Senate's role is to give pending legislation a second look, offer suggested changes, but not overturn what elected MPs have already voted for.

Instead, Conservative senators successfully engineered a snap vote Tuesday night to kill the bill without notice and without debate when many other senators were not present.

"Whether you supported the bill or not, they prevented any discussion, any debate about it. There should be an election over this," said an outraged Weaver.

Weaver also pointed out that global temperature measurements taken through the end of October show this year has been the warmest ever recorded. The latest climate science continues to show climate change is happening faster and with more impacts than previously projected.

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