The Rats are circling Mal Rightards where are you?

[J o h n S m i t h]

He should lead Labor, after all he tried joining them first.

rubbish ...

[IQS.RLOW]

He should lead Labor, after all he tried joining them first.

rubbish ...

Fact...
Post edited because Smiffy was triggered by someone pointing out his denial of facts and started his usual spam bot impersonation.

[Redneck]

Mod: Can we confine the rubbish troll type stuff to Sparta please guys

[J o h n S m i t h]

He should lead Labor, after all he tried joining them first.

rubbish ...

Fact...

I already told you, you wouldn't know a fact if you tripped over one. he did not try joining labor first, no matter how many times you say it.

[Black Orchid]

MALCOLM Turnbull wanted to become Kim Beazley's shadow finance minister during the second term of the Howard Government.
The Sunday Telegraph has confirmed Mr Turnbull approached at least six senior ALP figures, including former Prime Minister Bob Hawke, actively seeking their endorsement to join the ALP at the time of the republic referendum.

Speaking for the first time on the issue, Mr Hawke said Mr Turnbull approached him on November 6, 1999, at Sydney's Marriott Hotel following the referendum's defeat.

Mr Hawke said yesterday he remembered the conversation clearly. Mr Turnbull told him: "Bob, the only thing I can do now is join the Labor Party.''

Mr Hawke said he replied by telling Mr Turnbull ``he could be accommodated'' and that "the Labor Party was a broad church''.

The former senior ALP staffer David Britton, who founded the Labor lobbying firm HawkerBritton, said Mr Turnbull told him at the time of the referendum he was "deeply p..... off with Howard'' - and that he had a "very different social agenda'' to the then prime minister.

Mr Turnbull told Mr Britton: "Don't you think Kim Beazley would like somebody like me as his finance spokesman?''

The Sunday Telegraph has confirmed that NSW Health Minister, John Della Bosca, was also approached by Mr Turnbull earlier that year about the possibility of securing an ALP NSW Senate seat.

At the time, Mr Della Bosca was the state secretary of the NSW Labor Party.

Senior Labor figures said Mr Turnbull raised his interest in becoming a Labor MP with the then ACTU secretary Bill Kelty as well.

While there have been previous rumblings - which have always denied by Mr Turnbull - about him wanting to the join the Labor Party, today's revelations make it clear that his pursuit of a Labor seat was concerted and he made approaches to influential Labor figures across the party.

The various approaches by Mr Turnbull were revived in closed door discussions involving Mr Beazley and Mr Hawke at this week's Australian-US Leadership Dialogue in Melbourne.

Mr Beazley, the Opposition leader in 1999, confirmed yesterday he had a conversation with Mr Turnbull a year earlier at the Constitutional Convention.

Mr Beazley, who has previously made some details of the conversation public, said that Mr Turnbull used the conversation to explore his options of getting into politics through the Labor party.
Mr Beazley said he rebuffed him, telling him he ``was basically aLib'' and he should join theLiberal Party if he wanted to enter Federal Parliament.

Mr Beazley also confirmed that his previous reference to another ``retired senior Labor figure'' Mr Turnbull had approached was indeed former PM Bob Hawke.

Mr Britton, a long-time press secretary to NSW Premier Bob Carr, said Mr Turnbull was "definitely flirting'' with the ideaof joining the ALP and, at thetime, was also close to the ``godfather'' of the NSW Labor Right, "Johno'' Johnson.

Another senior figure in the republican movement told The Sunday Telegraph he also talked to Mr Turnbull about his Labor ambitions.


Tony Pooley, who now works for NSW Minister Kristina Keneally, said Mr Turnbull "had reflected on the fact he had some general discussions with Paul Keating about representing Labor federally''.

Former Labor powerbroker Graham Richardson revealed in October, 2003, that Mr Turnbull had sought a safe Senate seat from him. Mr Turnbull, seeking Liberal pre-selection for the seat of Wentworth at the time, labelled the claim a ``lie''.

However, Mr Richardson this week told The Sunday Telegraph he stood by the claim. He said there were "a string of witnesses'' to the half-hour meeting with Mr Turnbull, which took place in his office.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/malcol ... 457e36886e

Who he joined FIRST is irrelevant.

[Rorschach]

Yes, thanks for pointing out the facts.
Well known political facts BTW.

For those who remember... Turnbull ran the YES case for the Republic Referendum.

Speaking for the first time on the issue, Mr Hawke said Mr Turnbull approached him on November 6, 1999, at Sydney's Marriott Hotel following the referendum's defeat.

Mr Hawke said yesterday he remembered the conversation clearly. Mr Turnbull told him: "Bob, the only thing I can do now is join the Labor Party.''

Mr Hawke said he replied by telling Mr Turnbull ``he could be accommodated'' and that "the Labor Party was a broad church''.

The former senior ALP staffer David Britton, who founded the Labor lobbying firm HawkerBritton, said Mr Turnbull told him at the time of the referendum he was "deeply p..... off with Howard'' - and that he had a "very different social agenda'' to the then prime minister.

As I said... he tried joining Labor first.
As he said... he still has a different social agenda...
He is and always will be a better fit with Labor.

[J o h n S m i t h]

blah blah blah

turnbull ran for preselection as a lib and lost in both 81 and 83, a full decade PRIOR to any involvement with the republican movement

as for the claims by Hawke, Turnbull denies it. It's a case of he said / she said. Either way it's irrelevant as goose was still wrong when he said 'after all he tried joining them first'.


nice try

[Rorschach]

OK fine, apparently the media sources I listen to got it wrong.

See now that is how you admit you got it wrong, something you forever fail to do. I'm happy to, its a very rare occurrence, but unlike some I'm not too proud to admit it.

BTW he was never preselected was he... more than likely because he is not Liberal material and never will be, and didn't seek a seat from anyone like Hawke, Beasley etc. In fact he let his membership lapse after 2 years in '83 because he wasn't preselected. Seems he wasn't that interested in being a Liberal after all. He fought against Howard and the Conservatives in the Republic issue, and in 2000, after trying to join the Labor party, (a party with his progressive ideals), decided again to try and get into parliament. With the Liberal Party in the safe seat of Wentworth, where he lived, which seems to be his only motivation for picking that party.

Happy for you to correct any of that.

[J o h n S m i t h]

OK fine, apparently the media sources I listen to got it wrong.

no sh1t

See now that is how you admit you got it wrong, something you forever fail to do

that's because you've never proven me wrong ...

BTW he was never preselected was he.

more blah blah

he let his membership lapse precisely because he wasn't pre-selected. Turnbull doesn't like to lose and as was proven when abbott ousted him, he is petty. I wouldn't be surprised to find out he in fact did approach labor, but it would have been more along the lines of wanting to stick it to those that didn't pre-select him than anything else. He has so far given the right of the liberal party everything they asked for. No one in their right mind would claim he should be in labor.

[IQS.RLOW]

And here we have a an example of the early hominid leftardus fucktardil, a fascinating creature that seemingly missed the evolutionary bus yet some how managed to survive despite having a cranial capacity less that 50% of homosapiens by eeking out a substinence existence by stealing food from more successful tribes. Highly superstitious, they have completely rejected all known learning methods that have allowed other species to flourish by avoiding all evidence that questions their simplistic view of the world.

Scientists believe that their stunted growth and limited intellectual capacity comes from early in the development of their kind where they avoided all sources of water with high priests grunting and squealing "trickle down" whenever a water body was approached.