It's as good as you've got, Black Orchid. Who are you to comment, hey?Black Orchid wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:53 pmIs that the best you've got Brian?
Morrison has to go
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The interesting thing about this is that the body language expert is 100% correct....
To discover those who rule over you, first discover those who you cannot criticize...Voltaire
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Yes she appears to be but you don't need to proclaim expertise to figure it out and I see no reason for the posturing and typical insults because I asked who she is.
Takes all sorts though. *shrug*
Takes all sorts though. *shrug*
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Considering the info in question was reposted from a twit in the twitersphere asking "who Sara is?" is quite reasonable IMO.
It seems to me BR has too much time on his hands, maybe he should get a job. It'd be better that his wanky online activism.
As for ScoMo .. well when Rawsack was singing Morrison's praises a year or so ago I said "I'll reserve my judgement".
As I hadn't seen enough of his actions to form an opinion yet.
At face value his actions at first seemed admirable ... did fine as Treasurer, reasonable on immigration and excellent regarding asylum seeker boaties. But I'd read he was originally "in retail", giving me the impression he'd been a salesman, and to me unless you've got a product that sells itself you've got to be a good bullshit artist to be a good sales person. More recently I read he'd been in advertising ... even worse = Professional liar.
So I'm grateful ScoMo saved us from the Shorten catastrophe, but I'm quite unimpressed with some of the new laws he's bringing in.
These new powers for police and spies just make Oz more like China. And this intended prohibition on buying anything over $10k with cash is straight out of the totalitarian communist playbook. I doubt he came up with the proposal himself, but I do wonder who's pulling the strings. Why is he doing the commies bidding?
This ban on buying anything over $10k with cash will backfire. Stolen property will become more valuable as currency.
I've been in a max security gaol/jail, there's no cash, but trade continues unabated.
It seems to me BR has too much time on his hands, maybe he should get a job. It'd be better that his wanky online activism.
As for ScoMo .. well when Rawsack was singing Morrison's praises a year or so ago I said "I'll reserve my judgement".
As I hadn't seen enough of his actions to form an opinion yet.
At face value his actions at first seemed admirable ... did fine as Treasurer, reasonable on immigration and excellent regarding asylum seeker boaties. But I'd read he was originally "in retail", giving me the impression he'd been a salesman, and to me unless you've got a product that sells itself you've got to be a good bullshit artist to be a good sales person. More recently I read he'd been in advertising ... even worse = Professional liar.
So I'm grateful ScoMo saved us from the Shorten catastrophe, but I'm quite unimpressed with some of the new laws he's bringing in.
These new powers for police and spies just make Oz more like China. And this intended prohibition on buying anything over $10k with cash is straight out of the totalitarian communist playbook. I doubt he came up with the proposal himself, but I do wonder who's pulling the strings. Why is he doing the commies bidding?
This ban on buying anything over $10k with cash will backfire. Stolen property will become more valuable as currency.
I've been in a max security gaol/jail, there's no cash, but trade continues unabated.
If Donald Trump is so close to the Ruskis, why couldn't he get Vladimir Putin to put novichok in Xi Jjinping's lipstick?
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It is not that you asked but rather how you asked, Black Orchid. Instead of attacking the messenger do you have anything to say about her message?Black Orchid wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:23 pmYes she appears to be but you don't need to proclaim expertise to figure it out and I see no reason for the posturing and typical insults because I asked who she is.
Takes all sorts though. *shrug*
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Asking who your Twitter source is, is hardly "attacking the messenger" and I have already commented. Do you need a map?brian ross wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:31 pmIt is not that you asked but rather how you asked, Black Orchid. Instead of attacking the messenger do you have anything to say about her message?Black Orchid wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:23 pmYes she appears to be but you don't need to proclaim expertise to figure it out and I see no reason for the posturing and typical insults because I asked who she is.
Takes all sorts though. *shrug*
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You didn't ask who my Twitter source was. You asked who "Sara" was. Of course, not reading too closely what is said on Twitter 'cause that is really just for twits, now isn't it? You asked what were qualifications to comment in a manner which suggested you were looking down on her for being just an ordinary person. Really?Black Orchid wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:44 pmAsking who your Twitter source is, is hardly "attacking the messenger" and I have already commented. Do you need a map?brian ross wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:31 pmIt is not that you asked but rather how you asked, Black Orchid. Instead of attacking the messenger do you have anything to say about her message?Black Orchid wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:23 pmYes she appears to be but you don't need to proclaim expertise to figure it out and I see no reason for the posturing and typical insults because I asked who she is.
Takes all sorts though. *shrug*
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I asked who Sara was because Sara was the Twitter source you used. Geez Brian and you have the audacity to call others "simpletons"? Really?brian ross wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:51 pmYou didn't ask who my Twitter source was. You asked who "Sara" was. Of course, not reading too closely what is said on Twitter 'cause that is really just for twits, now isn't it? You asked what were qualifications to comment in a manner which suggested you were looking down on her for being just an ordinary person. Really?Black Orchid wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:44 pmAsking who your Twitter source is, is hardly "attacking the messenger" and I have already commented. Do you need a map?brian ross wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:31 pmIt is not that you asked but rather how you asked, Black Orchid. Instead of attacking the messenger do you have anything to say about her message?Black Orchid wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:23 pmYes she appears to be but you don't need to proclaim expertise to figure it out and I see no reason for the posturing and typical insults because I asked who she is.
Takes all sorts though. *shrug*
Now stop trashing topics with your personal bias. Have your obsessive last word and move along!
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Part of an email received recently from CEC:
"Victorian Liberal Party rejects cash ban!
The Liberal Party’s Victoria State Council voted overwhelmingly on 23 November against Treasurer Frydenberg and Assistant Treasurer Sukkar’s cash ban. Both ministers attended the meeting, but fled before the vote that they obviously knew they wouldn’t win. They are gutless cowards—trying to ram through a law that the rank and file of their own party despises.
The vote was around 98 per cent against the cash ban! Rachel Baxendale from The Australian tweeted this gem from a party official who spoke to the motion, but which did not make it into any media reporting: “‘I have a simple message for the Treasurer Josh Frydenberg and Assistant Treasurer’ says opponent of the proposed ban on large cash transactions: ‘Get out of my wallet’.”
Make sure every MP knows about this vote, and contact your local newspaper or talk back radio!"
"Victorian Liberal Party rejects cash ban!
The Liberal Party’s Victoria State Council voted overwhelmingly on 23 November against Treasurer Frydenberg and Assistant Treasurer Sukkar’s cash ban. Both ministers attended the meeting, but fled before the vote that they obviously knew they wouldn’t win. They are gutless cowards—trying to ram through a law that the rank and file of their own party despises.
The vote was around 98 per cent against the cash ban! Rachel Baxendale from The Australian tweeted this gem from a party official who spoke to the motion, but which did not make it into any media reporting: “‘I have a simple message for the Treasurer Josh Frydenberg and Assistant Treasurer’ says opponent of the proposed ban on large cash transactions: ‘Get out of my wallet’.”
Make sure every MP knows about this vote, and contact your local newspaper or talk back radio!"
To discover those who rule over you, first discover those who you cannot criticize...Voltaire
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Its coming...the rest of the world versus islam....or is it here already...
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CEC update....
"Cash ban revolt boils over!
Senate inquiry flooded with submissions; rank-and-file Liberals mutiny against Frydenberg
STOP PRESS: By contrast to the Australian government ignoring the views of the public on its cash ban bill, Germany’s government in 2016 dropped plans to introduce a €5,000 cash transaction limit. Last week (22 November) Dr Johannes Beermann, Member of the Executive Board of Germany’s central bank, promoted the importance of cash in his keynote address to the Payment Asia Summit in China, stating that: “Cash offers an easy way out” from being locked into electronic payment systems; cash gives “independence from social control and data collection”; and “Cash is the obvious choice of payment method when it comes to personal privacy. This strengthens individual freedom.”
Australian democracy will be exposed as a farce if the boilover public uproar over the cash ban doesn’t force the Morrison government to immediately withdraw its totalitarian Currency (Restrictions on the Use of Cash) Bill 2019.
Yesterday, the Senate Economics Legislation Committee revealed it received “over 2,600” submissions on the bill. That’s not all of them, however—the Committee is trying to suppress the true number by not publishing most of them.
That said, even 2,600 submissions is huge by normal parliamentary standards. Most Senate inquiries receive a fraction of that, unless they are form letters. These submissions on the cash ban bill aren’t form letters, they are all thoughtful contributions from individual Australians to the inquiry, and many are amazing, detailed studies of the issues raised by the bill. It is scandalous, for instance, that the committee hasn’t published a 74-page submission by meticulous WA-based independent researcher Melissa Harrison, among many others.
Australians should forcefully protest this suppression by calling the Senators on the committee at their Parliament House offices while Parliament is in session this week and next. (See below for details.)
Liberal mutiny
On Saturday, 23 November, rank-and-file members of the Victorian Liberal Party scorched their own party leaders by overwhelmingly voting against the cash ban at their State Council meeting in Ballarat. More than 95 per cent of the assembled members voted for a motion calling for: “The Withdrawal of the Currency Bill 2019”. The motion read:
“That this State Council calls on the Federal Government to reaffirm its commitment to individual freedom and free enterprise by withdrawing the Currency (Restrictions on the Use of Cash) Bill 2019.
“The Federal Government has announced that it will introduce a bill—Currency (Restrictions on the Use of Cash) Bill 2019—to ban cash transactions between entities above an arbitrary threshold of $10,000 which can be changed if/when required.
“Banning cash is an illiberal policy that erodes civil liberties and conflicts with our Party’s fundamental principles of individual freedom and free enterprise.
“The legislation forces people into private banks to transact. Purportedly to curb crime (which is a state issue), this bill will actually expose individuals to prosecution [and] other objectionable Government policies including negative interest rates and deposit bail-in.
“Federal Minister responsible: The Treasurer, Hon Josh Frydenberg MP.”
Josh Frydenberg had been present at the State Council meeting minutes before this motion was moved, but he didn’t stay to defend his policy, despite being named as the responsible minister. Neither did Assistant Treasurer Michael Sukkar, who also attended the State Council, and who will administer the law and have the power to arbitrarily change the various exemptions, such as for individual-to-individual transactions, cryptocurrencies, etc.
Just to be clear: these two Treasury ministers are ramming through a law that their own party members despise but THEY ARE TOO GUTLESS TO DEFEND THEIR POLICY TO REAL PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN PARTY!
Reporter Rachel Baxendale from The Australian tweeted from the State Council meeting: “‘I have a simple message for the Treasurer Josh Frydenberg and Assistant Treasurer’ says opponent of the proposed ban on large cash transactions: ‘Get out of my wallet’.”
Despite this tweet, neither The Australian nor any other mainstream media reported on Frydenberg’s embarrassing defeat. They don’t control what the public can learn, however, as independent media did report it. On 25 November the Liberal Party member who moved the motion, Steve Holland, gave an interview to John Adams and Martin North on an episode of their Interests Of The People YouTube channel, “10,000 voices of freedom destroyed Frydenberg and Sukkar”.
Withdraw the bill!
The Victorian State Council vote demonstrates that every time the public has had a chance to express their view on the cash ban, their opposition has been overwhelming:
Over 3,500 submissions to Treasury in August (which Treasury misrepresented in its report to the government), in contrast to the 30 submissions a typical Treasury consultation receives on average;
Over 95 per cent opposition from rank-and-file Liberal members in Victoria;
Over 2,600—likely far over—submissions to the Senate Economics Legislation Committee.
Given that the stated intention of this law—combatting the black economy—has been thoroughly exposed as a fraud, this level of public opposition means that a truly democratic government would have no choice but to withdraw it. Its only real purpose is to trap Australians in banks. Westpac’s crimes are a reminder that the banks have become vast criminal enterprises because governments have done their bidding at every turn, and corruptly protected them from real accountability, but now they want to turn Australians into criminals simply for wanting to avoid using them.
In 1938, US President Franklin Roosevelt warned the US Congress: “The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism: ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.”
Ask your politician: Is Australia a fascist state where the government shreds civil liberties to serve private corporate interests, or are we a democracy where the government serves the people?
Most Australians can see where we have been heading—this cash ban law will prove it one way or another."
Morrison is a disgrace...a smug, arrogant, condescending turd masquerading as a human being......
"Cash ban revolt boils over!
Senate inquiry flooded with submissions; rank-and-file Liberals mutiny against Frydenberg
STOP PRESS: By contrast to the Australian government ignoring the views of the public on its cash ban bill, Germany’s government in 2016 dropped plans to introduce a €5,000 cash transaction limit. Last week (22 November) Dr Johannes Beermann, Member of the Executive Board of Germany’s central bank, promoted the importance of cash in his keynote address to the Payment Asia Summit in China, stating that: “Cash offers an easy way out” from being locked into electronic payment systems; cash gives “independence from social control and data collection”; and “Cash is the obvious choice of payment method when it comes to personal privacy. This strengthens individual freedom.”
Australian democracy will be exposed as a farce if the boilover public uproar over the cash ban doesn’t force the Morrison government to immediately withdraw its totalitarian Currency (Restrictions on the Use of Cash) Bill 2019.
Yesterday, the Senate Economics Legislation Committee revealed it received “over 2,600” submissions on the bill. That’s not all of them, however—the Committee is trying to suppress the true number by not publishing most of them.
That said, even 2,600 submissions is huge by normal parliamentary standards. Most Senate inquiries receive a fraction of that, unless they are form letters. These submissions on the cash ban bill aren’t form letters, they are all thoughtful contributions from individual Australians to the inquiry, and many are amazing, detailed studies of the issues raised by the bill. It is scandalous, for instance, that the committee hasn’t published a 74-page submission by meticulous WA-based independent researcher Melissa Harrison, among many others.
Australians should forcefully protest this suppression by calling the Senators on the committee at their Parliament House offices while Parliament is in session this week and next. (See below for details.)
Liberal mutiny
On Saturday, 23 November, rank-and-file members of the Victorian Liberal Party scorched their own party leaders by overwhelmingly voting against the cash ban at their State Council meeting in Ballarat. More than 95 per cent of the assembled members voted for a motion calling for: “The Withdrawal of the Currency Bill 2019”. The motion read:
“That this State Council calls on the Federal Government to reaffirm its commitment to individual freedom and free enterprise by withdrawing the Currency (Restrictions on the Use of Cash) Bill 2019.
“The Federal Government has announced that it will introduce a bill—Currency (Restrictions on the Use of Cash) Bill 2019—to ban cash transactions between entities above an arbitrary threshold of $10,000 which can be changed if/when required.
“Banning cash is an illiberal policy that erodes civil liberties and conflicts with our Party’s fundamental principles of individual freedom and free enterprise.
“The legislation forces people into private banks to transact. Purportedly to curb crime (which is a state issue), this bill will actually expose individuals to prosecution [and] other objectionable Government policies including negative interest rates and deposit bail-in.
“Federal Minister responsible: The Treasurer, Hon Josh Frydenberg MP.”
Josh Frydenberg had been present at the State Council meeting minutes before this motion was moved, but he didn’t stay to defend his policy, despite being named as the responsible minister. Neither did Assistant Treasurer Michael Sukkar, who also attended the State Council, and who will administer the law and have the power to arbitrarily change the various exemptions, such as for individual-to-individual transactions, cryptocurrencies, etc.
Just to be clear: these two Treasury ministers are ramming through a law that their own party members despise but THEY ARE TOO GUTLESS TO DEFEND THEIR POLICY TO REAL PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN PARTY!
Reporter Rachel Baxendale from The Australian tweeted from the State Council meeting: “‘I have a simple message for the Treasurer Josh Frydenberg and Assistant Treasurer’ says opponent of the proposed ban on large cash transactions: ‘Get out of my wallet’.”
Despite this tweet, neither The Australian nor any other mainstream media reported on Frydenberg’s embarrassing defeat. They don’t control what the public can learn, however, as independent media did report it. On 25 November the Liberal Party member who moved the motion, Steve Holland, gave an interview to John Adams and Martin North on an episode of their Interests Of The People YouTube channel, “10,000 voices of freedom destroyed Frydenberg and Sukkar”.
Withdraw the bill!
The Victorian State Council vote demonstrates that every time the public has had a chance to express their view on the cash ban, their opposition has been overwhelming:
Over 3,500 submissions to Treasury in August (which Treasury misrepresented in its report to the government), in contrast to the 30 submissions a typical Treasury consultation receives on average;
Over 95 per cent opposition from rank-and-file Liberal members in Victoria;
Over 2,600—likely far over—submissions to the Senate Economics Legislation Committee.
Given that the stated intention of this law—combatting the black economy—has been thoroughly exposed as a fraud, this level of public opposition means that a truly democratic government would have no choice but to withdraw it. Its only real purpose is to trap Australians in banks. Westpac’s crimes are a reminder that the banks have become vast criminal enterprises because governments have done their bidding at every turn, and corruptly protected them from real accountability, but now they want to turn Australians into criminals simply for wanting to avoid using them.
In 1938, US President Franklin Roosevelt warned the US Congress: “The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism: ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.”
Ask your politician: Is Australia a fascist state where the government shreds civil liberties to serve private corporate interests, or are we a democracy where the government serves the people?
Most Australians can see where we have been heading—this cash ban law will prove it one way or another."
Morrison is a disgrace...a smug, arrogant, condescending turd masquerading as a human being......
To discover those who rule over you, first discover those who you cannot criticize...Voltaire
Its coming...the rest of the world versus islam....or is it here already...
Its coming...the rest of the world versus islam....or is it here already...
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