Turnbull - good decisions

[Super Nova]

Domestic violence was common in country NSW when I was a kid and the cops did nothing and the community remained silent.

It is a hidden shame of Australia culture... before no European immigrants came.

Hard drinking wife bashing was almost accepted.

[Rorschach]

Really SN... mythspreading again?

In 2014, the number of victims of family and domestic violence-related2 homicide3 offences as recorded by police was:

New South Wales - 30 victims (or 4 per million persons);
Victoria – 32 victims (or 5 per million persons);
Queensland – 13 victims (or 3 per million persons);
South Australia – 5 victims (or 3 per million persons);
Western Australia - 11 victims (or 4 per million persons); and
Northern Territory – 4 victims (or 16 per million persons).

There were no recorded victims of family and domestic violence-related homicide in the Australian Capital Territory.

How is this in any way representative of something endemic or part of our culture or representative of men's attitude towards women... except to say it is NOT normal in our country, culture or for men to be violent towards women... it is simply an aberration in behaviour, unacceptable and wrong, to the vast majority of Australian men and the stats back that up.

I suggest you read Miranda Devine's column today to get a more honest up to date appraisal. Unfortunately I have no online access to it.

Found a copy...

Demonising men won’t stop domestic violence

Miranda Devine – Sunday, September 27, 2015 (12:44am)


IT IS a grim portent that Malcolm Turnbull’s first policy announcement as Prime Minister was a $100 million gimmick blaming domestic violence on gender inequality.

“Women must be respected,” thundered Turnbull. “Disrespecting women is unacceptable.”

He has drunk the feminist Kool-Aid. But, somehow, I don’t think Turnbull’s commanding the nation to respect women will stop endemic violence in dysfunctional remote indigenous communities and public housing estates.

Poverty is the cause of domestic violence, the desperate chaos of the underclass, played out in welfare dependency, mental illness, alcohol and drug abuse, especially psychosis-inducing ice.

Demonising men, and pouring taxpayer money into permanent meddling bureaucracies, will do nothing to alleviate domestic tragedy.

It just increases government’s role in our lives, and further disempowers vulnerable men.

Of course, Turnbull, a few days in the job, was simply announcing a plan that Tony Abbott and his chief of staff Peta Credlin had cooked up to try to improve his vote with women.

Beginning as a diversion from the knighthood fiasco of January, it involved Australian of the Year, Rosie Batty, who has become the untouchable expert on domestic violence.

Batty was front and centre of last week’s announcement: “This is a gender issue … we need to respect and value women as equals.”

No one could fail to be moved by her tragedy, the loss of her only son, 11-year-old Luke, murdered by his father.

But how did the murder of a little boy by his mentally ill, drug-taking father become all about “respecting women”?

Drug and alcohol abuse and mental illness are specific problems which properly targeted government policy might help alleviate. “Respecting women” is not.

The excitable minister for women Michaelia Cash stood alongside Turnbull and Batty, talking a lot of gobbledygook which shows only that she has a touching faith in bureaucracy, as in “an action item under the Second Action Plan of the National Action Plan to Reduce Violence Against Women and Children.”

Honestly. That National Action Plan, anyway, is a hangover from Julia Gillard, another hotchpotch of bureaucracies which exist for reports and awards and meetings and conferences and which soak up millions of dollars while doing nothing to help people trapped in chaotic lives break the welfare cycle.

Worse, the underlying narrative is about disrespecting men.

Turnbull claimed: “one in four young men think it’s OK to slap a girl when you’ve been drinking”.

That just doesn’t pass the sniff test. Anyone with a passing acquaintance with young men knows it’s absurd.

Cash repeated the claim, based on statistics from market research company Hall & Partners Open Mind, which conducted an online survey last year, answered by 3000 teenagers, young adults and parents. Plus some focus groups.

The report is full of gross generalisations with no evidence. It’s not exactly peer-reviewed scientific research, yet it’s blithely parroted by the PM and his minister for women.

How does slandering young men encourage “respect for women”? That market research was commissioned by the taxpayer-funded domestic violence lobbying group “Our Watch”.

“Our Watch” is chaired by feminist former Democrats Senator Natasha Stott Despoja, curiously appointed by Abbott as Australia’s Ambassador for Women and Girls. She claims: “Violence against women does not discriminate, regardless of ethnicity, social status and geography.”

But the actual statistics show a different reality.

Violence against women does discriminate, starkly. It is concentrated in communities with a high indigenous population, in the Northern Territory, in impoverished rural towns, in the urban fringes where the underclass lives, where welfare has emasculated men, where unemployment is high and education poor, and where drug and alcohol abuse is rife. These are the obvious preconditions for violence.

If you want to break the cycle of violence, end the welfare incentive for unsuitable women to keep having children to a string of feckless men.

Some facts, from the NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics: Domestic violence is worst in the small remote town of Bourke. With its high indigenous population, it has a rate of 4195.6 offences per 100,000 population (in fact, Bourke’s crime rate makes it more dangerous per capita than any country on earth).

Second place goes to Walgett with a rate of 2,692, then Moree Plains (1824), Glenn Innes (1103.5), Coonamble, Lachlan, Broken Hill, Cobar, Bogan, Dubbo.

When you get to the welfare-centred outer suburbs of Sydney, you find Campbelltown has a domestic violence crime rate of 628.4 per 100,000, followed by Blacktown at 610.2, Penrith (588.4) and so on. You get the picture.

Compare those rates to the affluent areas of Sydney; Kuringai has the lowest domestic violence in NSW with 66.1 crimes per 100,000, followed by Hunters Hill, Lane Cove, Hornsby, Manly, Willoughby, and so on.

It’s clear. Welfare traps create the conditions for domestic violence.

That announcement last week wasn’t about helping people in Bourke and Campbelltown. It was about making the prime minister, whoever he is this week, win approval from feminists.

[Agnes]

Domestic violence was common in country NSW when I was a kid and the cops did nothing and the community remained silent.

It is a hidden shame of Australia culture... before no European immigrants came.

Hard drinking wife bashing was almost accepted.

Very true SN and not much has changed. It is accepted and it is the norm and I have seen in this forum over the last couple of days men who practically bragged and related a story or two almost with relish of how they bashed a women and another of how most women ask for it because they are rough and violent women- really
' Stunned.. I will never refer to those 2 men while I am here. If you hit a woman you are a coward. It's almost as if the male here who says that every woman who has known violence should hide it as if it were somehow shameful- I don't know why - it is not her fault. This is a huge part of the problem-"what did you do to provoke this attack on you" That is blaming a woman who is not only a victim of a sometimes horrendous injuries and mental trauma, but also what have you done to displease your master? How does that sound any different to how these evil Muslim men treat women.?

That is punishing the woman twice for daring to be a victim. Some men are murdered by women in their sleep by long term victims of domestic violence and one could understand her plight completely. I doubt many court's would put jail her. And what about the children of violent households, when childs mother is beaten violently you also murder the childs spirit and destroy their innocence. Children are always forgotten.

[Agnes]

Really SN... mythspreading again?

In 2014, the number of victims of family and domestic violence-related2 homicide3 offences as recorded by police was:

New South Wales - 30 victims (or 4 per million persons);
Victoria – 32 victims (or 5 per million persons);
Queensland – 13 victims (or 3 per million persons);
South Australia – 5 victims (or 3 per million persons);
Western Australia - 11 victims (or 4 per million persons); and
Northern Territory – 4 victims (or 16 per million persons).

There were no recorded victims of family and domestic violence-related homicide in the Australian Capital Territory.

How is this in any way representative of something endemic or part of our culture or representative of men's attitude towards women... except to say it is NOT normal in our country, culture or for men to be violent towards women... it is simply an aberration in behaviour, unacceptable and wrong, to the vast majority of Australian men and the stats back that up.

I suggest you read Miranda Devine's column today to get a more honest up to date appraisal. Unfortunately I have no online access to it.

Found a copy...

Demonising men won’t stop domestic violence

Miranda Devine – Sunday, September 27, 2015 (12:44am)


IT IS a grim portent that Malcolm Turnbull’s first policy announcement as Prime Minister was a $100 million gimmick blaming domestic violence on gender inequality.

“Women must be respected,” thundered Turnbull. “Disrespecting women is unacceptable.”

He has drunk the feminist Kool-Aid. But, somehow, I don’t think Turnbull’s commanding the nation to respect women will stop endemic violence in dysfunctional remote indigenous communities and public housing estates.

Poverty is the cause of domestic violence, the desperate chaos of the underclass, played out in welfare dependency, mental illness, alcohol and drug abuse, especially psychosis-inducing ice.

Demonising men, and pouring taxpayer money into permanent meddling bureaucracies, will do nothing to alleviate domestic tragedy.

It just increases government’s role in our lives, and further disempowers vulnerable men.

Of course, Turnbull, a few days in the job, was simply announcing a plan that Tony Abbott and his chief of staff Peta Credlin had cooked up to try to improve his vote with women.

Beginning as a diversion from the knighthood fiasco of January, it involved Australian of the Year, Rosie Batty, who has become the untouchable expert on domestic violence.

Batty was front and centre of last week’s announcement: “This is a gender issue … we need to respect and value women as equals.”

No one could fail to be moved by her tragedy, the loss of her only son, 11-year-old Luke, murdered by his father.

But how did the murder of a little boy by his mentally ill, drug-taking father become all about “respecting women”?

Drug and alcohol abuse and mental illness are specific problems which properly targeted government policy might help alleviate. “Respecting women” is not.

The excitable minister for women Michaelia Cash stood alongside Turnbull and Batty, talking a lot of gobbledygook which shows only that she has a touching faith in bureaucracy, as in “an action item under the Second Action Plan of the National Action Plan to Reduce Violence Against Women and Children.”

Honestly. That National Action Plan, anyway, is a hangover from Julia Gillard, another hotchpotch of bureaucracies which exist for reports and awards and meetings and conferences and which soak up millions of dollars while doing nothing to help people trapped in chaotic lives break the welfare cycle.

Worse, the underlying narrative is about disrespecting men.

Turnbull claimed: “one in four young men think it’s OK to slap a girl when you’ve been drinking”.

That just doesn’t pass the sniff test. Anyone with a passing acquaintance with young men knows it’s absurd.

Cash repeated the claim, based on statistics from market research company Hall & Partners Open Mind, which conducted an online survey last year, answered by 3000 teenagers, young adults and parents. Plus some focus groups.

The report is full of gross generalisations with no evidence. It’s not exactly peer-reviewed scientific research, yet it’s blithely parroted by the PM and his minister for women.

How does slandering young men encourage “respect for women”? That market research was commissioned by the taxpayer-funded domestic violence lobbying group “Our Watch”.

“Our Watch” is chaired by feminist former Democrats Senator Natasha Stott Despoja, curiously appointed by Abbott as Australia’s Ambassador for Women and Girls. She claims: “Violence against women does not discriminate, regardless of ethnicity, social status and geography.”

But the actual statistics show a different reality.

Violence against women does discriminate, starkly. It is concentrated in communities with a high indigenous population, in the Northern Territory, in impoverished rural towns, in the urban fringes where the underclass lives, where welfare has emasculated men, where unemployment is high and education poor, and where drug and alcohol abuse is rife. These are the obvious preconditions for violence.

If you want to break the cycle of violence, end the welfare incentive for unsuitable women to keep having children to a string of feckless men.

Some facts, from the NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics: Domestic violence is worst in the small remote town of Bourke. With its high indigenous population, it has a rate of 4195.6 offences per 100,000 population (in fact, Bourke’s crime rate makes it more dangerous per capita than any country on earth).

Second place goes to Walgett with a rate of 2,692, then Moree Plains (1824), Glenn Innes (1103.5), Coonamble, Lachlan, Broken Hill, Cobar, Bogan, Dubbo.

When you get to the welfare-centred outer suburbs of Sydney, you find Campbelltown has a domestic violence crime rate of 628.4 per 100,000, followed by Blacktown at 610.2, Penrith (588.4) and so on. You get the picture.

Compare those rates to the affluent areas of Sydney; Kuringai has the lowest domestic violence in NSW with 66.1 crimes per 100,000, followed by Hunters Hill, Lane Cove, Hornsby, Manly, Willoughby, and so on.

It’s clear. Welfare traps create the conditions for domestic violence.

That announcement last week wasn’t about helping people in Bourke and Campbelltown. It was about making the prime minister, whoever he is this week, win approval from feminists.

Miranda Devine- seriously get. a .grip . I might be a troll in yoiur eyes, but your a clueless moron. Sign up to a domestic violence unit , get some first hand experience and do something useful with your life , go out and take a look or are you too scared to be confronted with truth and facts-? I think so you would rather regurgitate some stupid idiot jounalist who wouldnt have fekking clue about dom. violence, she just collecting her salary each week- it's just easier that way! . Just run your ignorant mouth- that's what you do.

[Super Nova]

Really SN... mythspreading again?

Roach sometime you are not worth the effort.

I saw this first hand. I saw a society that would whisper about it and do nothing in the 70's.

No-one reported it. Statistics are meaningless.

I saw it in other rural towns.

Mythspreading my arse.

Where did you grow up?

[mantra]

I saw a society that would whisper about it and do nothing in the 70's.

I grew up in a nice part of Sydney where everyone tried to be perfect, but I can remember the whispering. One example was a school friend who used to talk about the revolting and violent things her father did to her. I told my mother and I assume other friends did the same, but it was hushed up. The same girl was molested by our young male teacher at age 11, but the finger was pointed at the girl as though she encouraged it. We knew no different. The victim was considered the perpetrator. I feel sick when I look back at our ignorance. That girl was badly damaged. No-one wanted to cause waves or get offside with neighbours or the authorities so they did nothing.

[Rorschach]

Really SN... mythspreading again?

Roach sometime you are not worth the effort.

I saw this first hand. I saw a society that would whisper about it and do nothing in the 70's.

No-one reported it. Statistics are meaningless.

I saw it in other rural towns.

Mythspreading my arse.

Where did you grow up?

Sometimes YOU are not worth the effort SN.
I post facts not crap like you do sometimes... try refuting facts for a change.

[Black Orchid]

I never witnessed it growing up nor did I hear any 'whispers' either at school or at play.

[Rorschach]

Across the state the average will be less than 0.25% per head of population.
Aboriginality, poverty and ethnicity have affected the figures as well. If you bothered to read what Miranda Devine said SN you see there are other mitigating factors as well. I don't deny it happens, I'm just a realist dealing with the reality, unlike the pathetic progs here who like to foster cultural cringe.
Oh and just because you think for some obscure reason or some isolated reason that it is widespread... well yes it spreads right across the state wherever people are... but... there is a very low incidence of it. Oh and I do know about regional NSW thanks very much, I too have first hand experience.

[Neferti]

I never witnessed it growing up nor did I hear any 'whispers' either at school or at play.

Nor did I, Black Orchid.

In the 70s, when SN was growing up in a country town, it wasn't worth calling the Police as they would not get involved in "domestics" whether it was in a country town or a city suburb. So there would be no "statistics" available for that time-frame.

I think alcohol consumption has a lot to do with domestic violence. Also the fact that some females/males can't just "let it go" when hubby/wife arrives home with a skin-full (or just a hard day at work), calls her/him names and she/he reacts and it escalates from there. Naturally, I don't think anyone should react that way, but who am I to judge?

IF you have an abusive husband, wife, partner or whatever, do NOT wait around for the next confrontation .... LEAVE as fast as you can. NOW.