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Re: Fraudband

Post by Rorschach » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:02 am

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Monk keeps reguritating his own lies because he ignores the facts.
Bugger off Monk, we've had enough of your lalalaing oh and the other ruder stuff.
Embrace reality or seek help.
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Malcolm Turnbull model installed with NBN speeds
* by: Chris Griffith
* From: The Australian
* September 03, 2013 12:00AM

MALCOLM Turnbull's fibre-copper hybrid internet solution has achieved 100 megabits per second download speeds in an enormous inner-Sydney apartment block, in what he sees as a vindication of Coalition policy.


Sydney Park Village is a massive complex of 810 apartments across 18 buildings in the city's inner-western suburbs, mainly full of young families and professional types: a demographic tuned in to the virtues of fast internet.

It's a good-news story for the Coalition's communications spokesman, who from opposition today is due to launch the network at the complex, situated about 1km from the electorate of Broadband Minister Anthony Albanese.

Eighteen months ago, the complex set about seeking a faster internet solution, and with the National Broadband Network not due locally until some time between 2015 and 2017, decided on working with a private carrier to install fast internet before the NBN. Eventually, network provider OPENetworks answered the call, making use of an Optus Wholesale fibre corridor running along the street outside.

The fibre has been linked to the complex's internal copper phone network. Last week, the first users came on board and reported download speeds of 93Mbps and upload speeds of 40Mbps.

The VDSL2 being used is not the souped-up vectoring protocol advocated by Mr Turnbull.
Nevertheless, its speed is the current benchmark for the NBN although it's well short of the one gigabit or 1000Mbps download speed the NBN Co eventually wants internet service providers to deliver.

Plans offered by internet retailer Internode to Sydney Park Village residents start at $49.95 a month for 30GB at 12Mbps download speeds and 1Mbps upload speeds. For $94.95, residents can get 300GB and speeds of 100Mbps and 40Mbps. There is no installation fee on the 24-month contracts.

OPENetworks managing director Michael Sparksman said installing a VDSL2 internet service to an apartment using copper cost about $200 - half for equipment and half in labour. In contrast, retro-fitting a fibre connection into a building could cost more than $5000 for each apartment.

Peter Hanley, telecoms' technician of Optical Terminations, the contractor that installed the system, said many private fibre rollouts occurred along public thoroughfares in the heady days of the dot-com boom.

He said private last-mile providers, which connect homes and apartments to existing fibre installations, were put out of work after the NBN Co engaged large contractors to perform the work. Small contractors had now received a new lease of life due to people wanting to circumvent the long lead times and delays of the NBN rollout.


If Labor is re-elected, the NBN Co will return to the complex to install fibre in all apartments in the future. The Coalition sees a future in the private sector complementing the NBN's work.

Mr Turnbull said the Coalition was open to co-funding arrangements for the fibre rollout and would look at flexible models. That included wholesalers being able to sell their networks to the NBN Co, provided they met network standards.

He described the Sydney Park Village rollout as "a good illustration in Australia that fibre-to-the-node can deliver those very high speeds".

Mr Albanese's office did not comment, but a US-based broadband publication, Broadband Communities, said competing operators in Australia could build networks that undermined the NBN if it gave customers inferior technology.

"In countries around the world, these so-called competitive overbuilders are always ready to pounce.

"They profit from an incumbent's second-rate performance," said the publication.

Chris Griffith lives in Sydney Park Village and is paying for a broadband connection.
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Re: Fraudband

Post by Jovial_Monk » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:28 am

That apartment block and its Cat6 cables—got significantly less speed than the 100mbps down. Turncoat just said “contention” but that is typical Turncoat bullshit and ignorance—no measurable contention with 40 customers and 12 ISPs!

So this FTTP (FTTB if you like) install that relied on copper, fairly new copper I imagine, still performs sub par.

Real FTTN, copper running along the street will be much, much worse, unless all new copper is pulled but that is more expensive than pulling fibre!

Fraudband will not be rolled out.

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Re: Fraudband

Post by Rorschach » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:52 am

Denial will get you nowhere Monkey boy.

http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media ... -over-vdsl
Rorschach wrote: :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Monk keeps reguritating his own lies because he ignores the facts.
Bugger off Monk, we've had enough of your lalalaing oh and the other ruder stuff.
Embrace reality or seek help.
Rorschach wrote:
Malcolm Turnbull model installed with NBN speeds
* by: Chris Griffith
* From: The Australian
* September 03, 2013 12:00AM

MALCOLM Turnbull's fibre-copper hybrid internet solution has achieved 100 megabits per second download speeds in an enormous inner-Sydney apartment block, in what he sees as a vindication of Coalition policy.

Sydney Park Village is a massive complex of 810 apartments across 18 buildings in the city's inner-western suburbs, mainly full of young families and professional types: a demographic tuned in to the virtues of fast internet.

It's a good-news story for the Coalition's communications spokesman, who from opposition today is due to launch the network at the complex, situated about 1km from the electorate of Broadband Minister Anthony Albanese.

Eighteen months ago, the complex set about seeking a faster internet solution, and with the National Broadband Network not due locally until some time between 2015 and 2017, decided on working with a private carrier to install fast internet before the NBN. Eventually, network provider OPENetworks answered the call, making use of an Optus Wholesale fibre corridor running along the street outside.

The fibre has been linked to the complex's internal copper phone network. Last week, the first users came on board and reported download speeds of 93Mbps and upload speeds of 40Mbps.

The VDSL2 being used is not the souped-up vectoring protocol advocated by Mr Turnbull.
Nevertheless, its speed is the current benchmark for the NBN although it's well short of the one gigabit or 1000Mbps download speed the NBN Co eventually wants internet service providers to deliver.

Plans offered by internet retailer Internode to Sydney Park Village residents start at $49.95 a month for 30GB at 12Mbps download speeds and 1Mbps upload speeds. For $94.95, residents can get 300GB and speeds of 100Mbps and 40Mbps. There is no installation fee on the 24-month contracts.


OPENetworks managing director Michael Sparksman said installing a VDSL2 internet service to an apartment using copper cost about $200 - half for equipment and half in labour. In contrast, retro-fitting a fibre connection into a building could cost more than $5000 for each apartment.

Peter Hanley, telecoms' technician of Optical Terminations, the contractor that installed the system, said many private fibre rollouts occurred along public thoroughfares in the heady days of the dot-com boom.

He said private last-mile providers, which connect homes and apartments to existing fibre installations, were put out of work after the NBN Co engaged large contractors to perform the work. Small contractors had now received a new lease of life due to people wanting to circumvent the long lead times and delays of the NBN rollout.


If Labor is re-elected, the NBN Co will return to the complex to install fibre in all apartments in the future. The Coalition sees a future in the private sector complementing the NBN's work.

Mr Turnbull said the Coalition was open to co-funding arrangements for the fibre rollout and would look at flexible models. That included wholesalers being able to sell their networks to the NBN Co, provided they met network standards.

He described the Sydney Park Village rollout as "a good illustration in Australia that fibre-to-the-node can deliver those very high speeds".

Mr Albanese's office did not comment, but a US-based broadband publication, Broadband Communities, said competing operators in Australia could build networks that undermined the NBN if it gave customers inferior technology.

"In countries around the world, these so-called competitive overbuilders are always ready to pounce.

"They profit from an incumbent's second-rate performance," said the publication.

Chris Griffith lives in Sydney Park Village and is paying for a broadband connection.
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Re: Fraudband

Post by Jovial_Monk » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:07 pm

roach once again shows his ignorance. I just love his detailed technical sources, the Daily terror and the national shit sheet!

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Re: Fraudband

Post by Rorschach » Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:09 pm

Jovial_Monk wrote:roach once again shows his ignorance. I just love his detailed technical sources, the Daily terror and the national shit sheet!
I don't have to try and baffle people with bullshit JM... I just need to post the truth.
Something you are incapable of doing or accepting.

Even your mates at Delimiter do not doubt the article.
oh right you don't post them any more just your blogger mate with the obvious political bias Sorryarse.
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Re: Fraudband

Post by Neferti » Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:19 pm

I agree with Rorschach!

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Re: Fraudband

Post by DaS Energy » Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:47 pm

Question,

Is any one yet using 100 Mbps. Always aware of political speak "has achieved", many thing can achieve, however for what duration is the critical question. I await any politician to state where 100Mbps is actually in use.

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Re: Fraudband

Post by Super Nova » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:52 pm

DaS Energy wrote:Question,

Is any one yet using 100 Mbps. Always aware of political speak "has achieved", many thing can achieve, however for what duration is the critical question. I await any politician to state where 100Mbps is actually in use.
For the average punter such speeds will not be achieved. They the benefit of network capacity models, you can claim a peek performance when there is no other traffic anywhere on the network.

the cost vs benefit analysis will ensure most will never get close to these numbers in their regular use. Rule of thumb... halve it. BTW, 50Mbps is very fast... very very fast.
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Re: Fraudband

Post by DaS Energy » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:41 am

Hello Fraudband,

Thank you for your reply.

I always have been curious on that given the deception all Politicians are noted for. My personal rule of thumb being if the truth wont sell it don't buy it.

Jovial_Monk

Re: Fraudband

Post by Jovial_Monk » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:58 am

DaS Energy wrote:Question,

Is any one yet using 100 Mbps. Always aware of political speak "has achieved", many thing can achieve, however for what duration is the critical question. I await any politician to state where 100Mbps is actually in use.
About half of those who have connected to the NBN are on 100:40mbps and 50:20mbps.

Businesses in CBDs have access to Telstra’s very very expensive optic fibre and have faster than 100mbps speeds.

In real life there is a small overhead so actual 100mbps would not be achieved but contention matters little so at the busiest time you don’t lose much bandwidth.

You might think 50 or 100mbps is superfast but it isn’t really: most households have more than one member using the net so 100mbps just lets 4–5 people share the connection and still have plenty of bandwidth. 4K TVs are on the market now—very high resolution TV. These are fed through optical fibre as the only medium fast enough to feed such a hungry user of data. 8K TVs are on the way.

Meanwhile, #Fraudband will provide a maximum of 25mbps, barely adequate now, totally inadequate in 2-3 years given the exponential increase in data down and up loaded. So before #Fraudband starts being built (starting late 2016 I imagine—renegotiate with Telstra for access to its last–mile copper, redesign the network, order tens of thousands of cabinets (nodes) which have to be installed, connected, powered and airconditioned.

Because of the rotten state of Telstra copper, and its .32mm and .4mm wiring 25mbps will be the absolute maximum speed and vectoring will not be possible. That apartment block did not use Telstra copper—fibre went all the way into the basement of the units and connected with the internal Cat6 copper cables running to the units. Thus it was FTTH not FTTN.

Within 10 years 100mbps will be like dialup is now—and we will be stuck on 25mbps!

I encourage you to read: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-09/a ... ge/4931864" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Chattanooga, TN, has 1Gbps FTTH! That is the future, not copper!

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