Radicalisation or Rubbish?

[boxy]

But apparently only Muslims can be radicalised, as if it has something to do with their particular racial or cultural DNA.
As if it is something they can't help or be blamed for...

Did anyone actually say anything like this? Or is it just a strawman you're standing up there to burn?

I have only seen it applied to Muslims, at least in the sense that broader society is to blame rather than a particular ideology or hate preacher. Gandalf flogs that horse tirelessly on the other forum. Most recently he has been arguing that getting rid of holocaust denial laws would actually stop terrorists murdering cartoonists, because it is all due to this victimhood mentality and Muslims feeling like Islam is under attack from the west - not because of cartoons mocking Muhammed on the street, but because we are being hypocritical about it by not pushing the freedom of speech issue onto the holocaust. He has thrown the R word around quite a lot in previous discussions also.

The implicit assumption is "obviously Muslims are victims - look at how upset and angry they are".

That's different to what I was replying to though. Roach was saying that Muslims are saying that "only Muslims can be radicalised" and they say that they can't help or be blamed for it. I wouldn't mind betting that "Gandalf" would argue the exact opposite, that other religions/minorities can, and have, also been radicalised throughout history.

[Rorschach]

No that's not what I said Poxy... go to jail go directly to Jail do not pass go...

What I'm saying is the new "R" word is crap and it's simply just bad behaviour.
Brought on by poor upbringing, corrupt morals and cultural incompatibility, etc, etc, etc.

Their solution BTW is to give them more money...

[freediver]

But apparently only Muslims can be radicalised, as if it has something to do with their particular racial or cultural DNA.
As if it is something they can't help or be blamed for...

Did anyone actually say anything like this? Or is it just a strawman you're standing up there to burn?

I have only seen it applied to Muslims, at least in the sense that broader society is to blame rather than a particular ideology or hate preacher. Gandalf flogs that horse tirelessly on the other forum. Most recently he has been arguing that getting rid of holocaust denial laws would actually stop terrorists murdering cartoonists, because it is all due to this victimhood mentality and Muslims feeling like Islam is under attack from the west - not because of cartoons mocking Muhammed on the street, but because we are being hypocritical about it by not pushing the freedom of speech issue onto the holocaust. He has thrown the R word around quite a lot in previous discussions also.

The implicit assumption is "obviously Muslims are victims - look at how upset and angry they are".

That's different to what I was replying to though. Roach was saying that Muslims are saying that "only Muslims can be radicalised" and they say that they can't help or be blamed for it. I wouldn't mind betting that "Gandalf" would argue the exact opposite, that other religions/minorities can, and have, also been radicalised throughout history.

Gandalf has argued some interesting positions. For example, as a fellow Muslim, he is absolutely not responsible in any way for Muslim terrorists. On the other hand, as a fellow Australian, he is partly to blame, because he is part of the society that is to blame.

On your point about other minorities in the past, the entire history of Islam is one of radicalisation. That is how the Caliphate was built, and how it fell apart. At every step of the way, Muslims were victims and only ever acting in self defense (by killing lots of people). They nearly took over the entire western world in a fairly short period of time, and have been in a slow, violent decline (at least politically) ever since. It is not some recent, historically brief phase. It is how Islam has always been, from the very first Jew slaughtering, child raping Muslim.

[boxy]

Gandalf has argued some interesting positions. For example, as a fellow Muslim, he is absolutely not responsible in any way for Muslim terrorists. On the other hand, as a fellow Australian, he is partly to blame, because he is part of the society that is to blame.

Not being religious, I can't really relate, however, I think I'd feel a bit of responsibility for what others did in the name of the philosophy that I choose to follow. If someone else was deliberately killing innocents in the name of my religion, either I'd need to physically oppose them, or renounce my faith in that religion.

But then, as I said, mindless religious kowtowing isn't my thing.

On your point about other minorities in the past, the entire history of Islam is one of radicalisation. That is how the Caliphate was built, and how it fell apart. At every step of the way, Muslims were victims and only ever acting in self defense (by killing lots of people). They nearly took over the entire western world in a fairly short period of time, and have been in a slow, violent decline (at least politically) ever since. It is not some recent, historically brief phase. It is how Islam has always been, from the very first Jew slaughtering, child raping Muslim.

I hear you. Islam needs a reformation movement. Unfortunately, I think this requires a political state willing and able to protect a new "touchy feely" (read:moderate) Islam from the extremes, while it proves itself a viable alternative to the neanderthals. Seems to be the way christianity came out of it's latest ugly phase, back in a time when kings and the nobility made the decisions.

Punching the poor, misinformed moderates (who are the ones needed to fight to fix Islam) for what the extremists do, doesn't seem to be a productive way to deal with it, even though I understand that it's the natural thing to do. They're the easy target.

[freediver]

Who is punching Muslims?

[skippy]

How many Christians feel blame for all the murders in Northern Ireland by the Protestants and Catholics?
It's dumb to blame the followers of any religion for the actions of few.
How long does one feel guilt? Should Steffi Graff feel guilt for Hitlers actions?
All religions are dumb, rather than blame certain sects we should be teaching the obvious, there is no god, no heaven and no hell and certainly no fairies in the sky.

[Rorschach]

Islam is not simply a Religion.
When you are all Dhimmis or dead you'll have figured it out.
Because you Useful idiots are how they will win their war against the rest of the World.
The moderates will not stand in their way, not even the religious divide within Islam will stop them.
Eventually there will be only 1 Islam.

This don't blame us victimhood or the blame it on Radicalisation crap... is simply that an excuse Useful idiots are falling for...
Here you'll need one of these...
It won't help you though, take a look at IS, you twerps that have been saying it's just a minority for years, in denial of the truth... there are millions that hold the same beliefs and hope they succeed.

[skippy]

What do you suggest we do? It's all well and good to say they injins are coming the injins are coming but if you believe what you say the only option is to wipe out every Muslim on the planet. Only then you would be no better than the religious nut jobs you complain about.

[boxy]

Who is punching Muslims?

Smell the winds of change.

[Rorschach]

What do you suggest we do? It's all well and good to say they injins are coming the injins are coming but if you believe what you say the only option is to wipe out every Muslim on the planet. Only then you would be no better than the religious nut jobs you complain about.

Well we could stop importing the problem just for starters.
Multiculti is a flawed, failed system that increases disharmony within a society.
Tolerance is not acceptance and it is clearly, a one way street.