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[Rorschach]

Wassup mantra?
Can't understand what's as plain as the nose on your face?

For Rorsch and IQ - from the conservative Australian.....

Aussies are $160bn ahead on mortgages

AUSTRALIAN families are now $160 billion ahead on their mortgages, squirreling away an extra $30 billion since the start of the GFC. That means people are saving more by paying down their debt mantra

About half of the nation's three million home-loan customers have taken advantage of low interest rates to pay down debt at a pace the likes of which has never been seen. See PAY DOWN DEBT... and what about that pace eh?

New Reserve Bank of Australia figures show borrowers are a record 14 per cent in front on their combined $1.14 trillion of housing loans. gee I wonder how that happened.... I'll tell you again even though you keep denying it.... because discretionary spending is down and people are saving and paying off debt.

In March 2008, as the global financial crisis was beginning to take effect, the mortgage buffer was 11 per cent.

"People are paying down their homes, they're not drawing down on equity to pay for things which were going on during the GFC,'' said Australian Bankers' Association chief executive Steven Munchenberg. I'm sorry did your article just agree with me? Of course it bloody did.

"House prices were going up and people were using the equity to invest or spend, but it would suggest they are not doing that now, they are very happily paying down their mortgages as quickly as possible.'' I'm sorry did the article agree with me again?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/au ... 6609151657

[Rorschach]

Meanwhile back on the other track...

The International Organisation for Migration has backed the Australian Immigration Minister’s view that some of the Sri Lankan's arriving in Australia by boat are economic migrants, not refugees.

The number of Sri Lankan's trying to reach Australia by boat has increased by 25-fold over the past 12 months, from 211 irregular maritime arrivals in 2011, to more than 5,300 already this year.

He says many of those who have chosen to return to Sri Lanka voluntarily originally left their homeland in search of work.

"That is often what we hear, people tell us they were just seeking better lives," he said.

Last week, Australia's immigration minister Chris Bowen sent 26 men back to Sri Lanka who had arrived by boat, suggesting they were economic refugees.

"We have, of course, developed robust procedures for dealing with genuine claims for asylum, but we will not have people who do not have genuine claims to make be going through our system," Mr Bowen said.

Captain Emad and family... etc, etc, etc.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-06/a ... es/4355860" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Less understandable is the arrival of boatloads of Tamils on Australian shores from Sri Lanka, claiming to be asylum seekers in fear for their lives from the majority Singhalese population. The question that needs to be asked is: If these people are in such fear, why did they not seek refuge by making their way 30km across the Palik Straits to India and, in particular to the state of Tamil-Nadu, where the population is culturally and linguistically much the same?

Instead they give due consideration to where they wish to spend the rest of their lives, then decide to seek “refuge” in Australia, a distant 5,600km away, a country with totally different language, culture and climate. However, Australia is a nation offering free education, medical and other social support to its residents and the prospect of employment paying so much more than they could ever earn in Sri Lanka.

Are these “refugees” the genuine asylum seekers they claim to be, fleeing their country in the face of persecution, even death, from a vengeful Singhalese majority? Or are they economic migrants, aspiring to gain access to socio-economic conditions they could never hope to enjoy in India or Sri Lanka?

Some Afghanis are certainly genuine refugees mantra but some are not. certainly those who helped us should be given preference. certainly the Hazaras should be considered. But not Pakistanis claiming to be Afghani, nor drug lords etc. Certainly the Iraq war ended many years ago yet we still have people coming here from Iraq... why?

Why do you think these users of criminal means destroy their identity... It was stated on radio a few years ago by an assessor from the dept of immigration that approx 50% of asylum seekers were found to be economic refugees but that intervention by refugee groups, and their legal support groups interference created a long stay for them in detention and due to government policy usually a positive outcome for them. Regardless.

[Rorschach]

ASYLUM-seeker panel chairman Angus Houston has endorsed the sending home of hundreds of Sri Lankan boat people identified in screening interviews as economic migrants.

More than 800 Sri Lankans have been deported in recent months under the so-called virtual tow-backs policy, prompting howls of protest from refugee activists.

The retired Air Chief Marshall, who led the government's expert panel on asylum-seekers, said he had no concerns about the policy.

He said weeding out would-be economic migrants was critical to ensuring the integrity of Australia's humanitarian assistance program.

"We said in the report that there was a need to have a look at the way we did that, and when it was clear that people were not seeking protection - in other words they were not asylum-seekers - there was a need to send them back," he said.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 6538190254" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Aussie]

ASYLUM-seeker panel chairman Angus Houston has endorsed the sending home of hundreds of Sri Lankan boat people identified in screening interviews as economic migrants.

More than 800 Sri Lankans have been deported in recent months under the so-called virtual tow-backs policy, prompting howls of protest from refugee activists.

The retired Air Chief Marshall, who led the government's expert panel on asylum-seekers, said he had no concerns about the policy.

He said weeding out would-be economic migrants was critical to ensuring the integrity of Australia's humanitarian assistance program.

"We said in the report that there was a need to have a look at the way we did that, and when it was clear that people were not seeking protection - in other words they were not asylum-seekers - there was a need to send them back," he said.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 6538190254" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So we are getting it right. Goodo.

But not Pakistanis claiming to be Afghani, nor drug lords etc.

Post the proof that we are allowing them.

[mantra]

More than 800 Sri Lankans have been deported in recent months under the so-called virtual tow-backs policy, prompting howls of protest from refugee activists.

I'm not protesting, although the fact that they're given $3,000 each to go home is encouragement to hasten their departure. Those sent home under the Howard government were given $10,000.

Some Afghanis are certainly genuine refugees mantra but some are not. certainly those who helped us should be given preference. certainly the Hazaras should be considered. But not Pakistanis claiming to be Afghani, nor drug lords etc. Certainly the Iraq war ended many years ago yet we still have people coming here from Iraq... why?

Why do you think these users of criminal means destroy their identity... It was stated on radio a few years ago by an assessor from the dept of immigration that approx 50% of asylum seekers were found to be economic refugees but that intervention by refugee groups, and their legal support groups interference created a long stay for them in detention and due to government policy usually a positive outcome for them. Regardless.

There are lots of different opinions about whether a sizeable proportion of them are economic refugees or not. Apparently many of the Sri Lankans are, but it's a different story with the Iraqi's and Afghans. Our invasion and interference was supposed to improve life for them - but it's only made it worse.

Years of conflict and neglect have devastated the country's human, social and economic development. More than half of Afghans live in grinding poverty. Life expectancy—about 46 years at birth—is 20 years lower than in all of the countries neighboring Afghanistan.

For women and girls, the challenges are immense. Many girls are forced into early marriage, one of the factors contributing to high maternal and infant death rates. While more families want their daughters to attend school, progress on this front has been slow. Some women become so desperate, they set themselves on fire in protest.

Iraq isn't faring much better.

The violence has decreased since the worst days of sectarian conflict, but bombings, assassinations and other attacks by Sunni Islamist insurgents and Shi'ite militias still occur frequently and thousands of people are killed every year.

Millions of Iraqis are dependent on food aid and many do not have access to clean water. The health system – once one of the best in the region – was crippled by the conflict and the international sanctions that predated it.

More than 1.1 million people remain displaced throughout the country, many of them living in dire conditions, the United Nations Refugee Agency (UNHCR) says. Another 480,000 people were in Syria in January 2013 and 450,500 in Jordan, according to government estimates in these countries. However, the total number of displaced is unknown.

It wouldn't be a bed of roses in Pakistan with the Taliban influence and the ongoing Pakistan war with the US. We don't hand pick the boat people - so we don't know their background until they're actually checked out. Criminals are supposedly returned, but we are not inhumane enough to deny them essential health care.

[Aussie]

Up there Roachy Poachy Puddin 'n Pie said:

Idiot... Are you living under a f'cking rock.
Saul Eslake stated as much on the radio in the last week or so.

This is what he actually said:

http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/03/27/her ... lian-debt/

The Tele’s article invoked some heavyweights to back up its case, including Saul Eslake, who told Crikey he’d been taken a little out of context in the piece. According to Eslake, Rolfe had contacted him to ask if Australia faced a debt crisis. Eslake’s reply was that Australia didn’t, and he compared us with Canada, which will not return to surplus for some years and will likely have a debt approaching 30% of GDP, compared with 11.5% for Australia. Over time, Eslake suggested, Australia might develop a problem due to the actions of a number of governments, including the John Howard government. This prompted Rolfe to ask how soon it would become a crisis, which Eslake answered by noting a debt crisis can come on very quickly — “the lights don’t turn amber, they turn red”. This, said Eslake, was portrayed as him saying a debt crisis was around the corner and it was entirely the fault of this government.

But Eslake doesn’t see much danger from austerity-driven politicians. Instead, he is concerned that an incoming Coalition government, should one eventuate, will repeat the mistakes of the Fraser years and fail to use its position to drive necessary fiscal discipline. “Like the Fraser government, an Abbott government may be divided between a leader who distrusts markets, has little interest in economics and is actually contemptuous of economists, a National Party that has reverted to its traditional agrarian socialism, and reformist liberals like Hockey, Robb, Turnbull and Sinodinos.”

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The Tele’s article invoked some heavyweights to back up its case, including Saul Eslake, who told Crikey he’d been taken a little out of context in the piece. According to Eslake, Rolfe had contacted him to ask if Australia faced a debt crisis. Eslake’s reply was that Australia didn’t, and he compared us with Canada, which will not return to surplus for some years and will likely have a debt approaching 30% of GDP, compared with 11.5% for Australia. Over time, Eslake suggested, Australia might develop a problem due to the actions of a number of governments, including the John Howard government. This prompted Rolfe to ask how soon it would become a crisis, which Eslake answered by noting a debt crisis can come on very quickly — “the lights don’t turn amber, they turn red”. This, said Eslake, was portrayed as him saying a debt crisis was around the corner and it was entirely the fault of this government.

But Eslake doesn’t see much danger from austerity-driven politicians. Instead, he is concerned that an incoming Coalition government, should one eventuate, will repeat the mistakes of the Fraser years and fail to use its position to drive necessary fiscal discipline. “Like the Fraser government, an Abbott government may be divided between a leader who distrusts markets, has little interest in economics and is actually contemptuous of economists, a National Party that has reverted to its traditional agrarian socialism, and reformist liberals like Hockey, Robb, Turnbull and Sinodinos.”

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including Saul Eslake, who told Crikey he’d been taken a little out of context in the piece. According to Eslake, Rolfe had contacted him to ask if Australia faced a debt crisis. Eslake’s reply was that Australia didn’t, and he compared us with Canada, which will not return to surplus for some years and will likely have a debt approaching 30% of GDP, compared with 11.5% for Australia. Over time, Eslake suggested, Australia might develop a problem due to the actions of a number of governments, including the John Howard government. This prompted Rolfe to ask how soon it would become a crisis, which Eslake answered by noting a debt crisis can come on very quickly — “the lights don’t turn amber, they turn red”. This, said Eslake, was portrayed as him saying a debt crisis was around the corner and it was entirely the fault of this government.

But Eslake doesn’t see much danger from austerity-driven politicians. Instead, he is concerned that an incoming Coalition government, should one eventuate, will repeat the mistakes of the Fraser years and fail to use its position to drive necessary fiscal discipline. “Like the Fraser government, an Abbott government may be divided between a leader who distrusts markets, has little interest in economics and is actually contemptuous of economists, a National Party that has reverted to its traditional agrarian socialism, and reformist liberals like Hockey, Robb, Turnbull and Sinodinos.”

This isn't going to go over too well Aussie. You've just proved that Rorsch is mistaken and he's got his "facts" wrong. He's very concerned about an incoming Abbott government - and so he should be.

[mellie]

What do you think about this FOI disclosure log?

http://www.immi.gov.au/about/foi/foi-di ... s-2013.htm

[Rorschach]

Post the proof that we are allowing them.

Oh dear the troll has returned...

Sorry Arsie but I already have... I suggest you go fetch. If you've forgotten some of the cases I suggest you go look and see if you can find them I ain't gonna do it for you.

Re your Saul Eslake Crikey post... sorry that wasn't the radio edit I was talking about was it. Liar liar pants on fire arsie.

Pity you have not bothered to read any of the many many links I have just posted. Which quotes many other economists and sources stating exactly what we've been saying.

as for you mantra... you should be more concerned about the last 2 Labor governments than a change.
Your still wrong and have been proven so.

[mantra]

You mean for example... these bits Mel...

Email correspondence to and from Mr Sandi Logan in relation to self-harm incidents in the Northern Immigration Detention Centre (NIDC) between May 2011 to April 2012, and to the difficulties faced in the delivery of Christmas presents to asylum seekers in the Darwin Airport Lodge in December 2011

Photos of damage caused by riots in the Villawood Immigration Detention Centre in April 2011

A document relating to the injuries sustained in the Christmas Island riot in March 2011

Of course the children should be denied Xmas presents because they might actually get some pleasure from them.

Yes - the riots were disgusting and those involved should not be granted a visa, but they were. I remember Fraser approving a whole parcel of anti-social Lebanese Muslims, who have bred even more anti-social Muslims, but that was OK because he was a Liberal PM.

Overall - once the refugees get out into the community we hear little about them, so they must be assimilating to a certain degree.

Mel - Howard and Abbott knew back in 2007 there was going to be a tidal wave of boat people heading over here. Howard even if he hadn't lost his seat and office wouldn't have been able to continue defying the Conventions. He was basically kicked out because of his treatment of asylum seekers. Abbott will not defy the UN.