SA & Tassie elections

[Hebe]

Our state is no joking matter.

[Machiavella]

Dear Hebe,

Could you please dumb down the current situation for someone like me who knows hardly anything about Tasmania, except that the delectable Robert Dessaix lives there and that both big parties are accomplices in the killing of those magnificent trees.
( - Yes, political conservatives like myself can be greenies too ! - )

Seeing that Labor seems to be supporting the infamous Pulp Mill, just like the Liberals do, I'm surprised to hear (if my interpretation is correct) that the Greens seem to be supporting those tree killers?

Ta muchly !

[Rainbow Moonlight]

I read somewhere this summary- libs want to govern with greens but greens want to govern with labor but labor doesn't want to governm with greens. Does that mean labor wants to govern with libs? Can either major party get just a few of the other major party to say they will vote with them or wont it work like that?

[Hebe]

Labor supports the mill. The Libs support the mill. We oppose it, and so far we're winning. The approval process was flawed and corrupt, but Gunns are doing so badly that they may never get backing for it now.

The Greens have to form an alliance with someone and their best fit is the ALP, however there are some policies the Greens will not negotiate on - the mill, education policy and the protection of the Tarkine.

The Libs refused to negotiate with the Greens (after intervention by Eric Abetz), the day after Hodgman said he'd be prepared to consider giving the Greens a ministry - he was forced to back down the next day.

There was a stalemate until the Greens said they would lend their support to Labor as the incumbent government, except on the issues above, and unless there were evidence of corruption etc.

Bartlett appears to be backing down on his hated education reforms and will probably not be Education Minister again (YAY!!!!!) He has admitted he hasn't been that great a premier or minister, and committed to doing better and being more ethical and considered.

The Libs are going to move a motion of no confidence in the government in Parliament when it resumes, which the Greens will not support. Hodgman is furious, but he expected the Premiership to fall into his lap without being prepared to negotiate with anyone. With the vote tied at 10 each for the Liberals and Labor, and 5 for the Greens, he was very stupid.

We'll see. The big problem is that Labor is committed to the pulp mill because of business support, and of course some of the unions want it too. If both the Libs and the Labs want to, they can push it through - if the Federal Environment Minister approves. So far, he hasn't. It's a battle not yet over, but may be our next Franklin Dam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Dam

If so, we'll be there.

[IQSRLOW]

Congratulations

After this debacle, hopefully people will realise that voting for the Greens will do nothing but wreck the economy and hold parliaments to ransom for their fucked up causes.

[Howard Stinks]

A lesson for the greens? I'm not familiar with what happened in Tasmania,did they have a candidate for all available seats?

[Howard Stinks]

Congratulations

After this debacle, hopefully people will realise that voting for the Greens will do nothing but wreck the economy and hold parliaments to ransom for their fucked up causes.

The econmy is doing fine only some exrtreme right wingers can't get over loosing the throne.

[Machiavella]

Although recently, in a German state election (forget which one) it happened: a coalition between the Conservatives and the Greens,do you think that the Tasmanian Greens are ready for that and would have sided with the Liberals even if the latter had been willing?

[Hebe]

Although recently, in a German state election (forget which one) it happened: a coalition between the Conservatives and the Greens,do you think that the Tasmanian Greens are ready for that and would have sided with the Liberals even if the latter had been willing?

If Abetz had not intervened, I think it could have worked.

A lesson for the greens? I'm not familiar with what happened in Tasmania,did they have a candidate for all available seats?

Yes, and they got one in in each electorate. There are 5 seats to an electorate.

After this debacle, hopefully people will realise that voting for the Greens will do nothing but wreck the economy and hold parliaments to ransom for their fucked up causes.

This is not a debacle. It's what we wanted. No one party in complete control. The Greens are now the most experienced party in Parliament, and it looks as though, with any luck, Nick McKim might get the education portfolio, which would be wonderful.

You are obviously one of those people who think the Greens are still a one-policy party. They aren't.

[IQSRLOW]

You are obviously one of those people who think the Greens are still a one-policy party.

It is precisely their other policies which makes me think they are not fit to wield so much power.

How would you feel having a 3 way govt between Lib, Lab and Australia First? It's the ideological equivalent.
They're both fruitcake parties at extreme ends of the political spectrum