Poor Muzzies are being picked on

[Rorschach]

The LW progressive Robert Putnam set out to show the world how right they were, and that diversity policy was a good thing. His results proved otherwise (largest study of its kind) and after taking ages to publish and massage them he had to admit it... although begrudgingly. That diversity policy creates social disharmony and isolationism.

Disunity, not anger, is Muslim dilemma

September 22, 2012

Many cultures, one community. Any outsider strolling down Auburn's main street will immediately recognise the veracity of the first half of this motto for the Western Sydney suburb, where almost 60 per cent of residents have been born overseas.

But like any racially and culturally diverse suburb, a single community it is not; and that multi-faceted community became increasingly strained this week as police and the media descended on Auburn following violent protests in the city's central business district against an anti-Islamic YouTube video. As has been proven in studies, diversity creates disharmony.

One in four residents of Auburn identifies as Muslim, compared with just over 4 per cent of the greater Sydney population. Islam is the single largest religion practised, and it is made up of more than 100 ethnic groups.

In effect, Auburn serves as a microcosm for Islam in NSW; many cultures and almost as many divisions. Leadership within the Muslim community in NSW, which is home to half of all Muslims living in Australia, is fractured to the point of dysfunction. The point of dysfunction? It is dysfunctional, especially when compared to the rest of Australian society.

For the better part of a decade, three bodies claiming to represent the interests of all Muslims in the state have vied for supremacy: The Lebanese Muslim Association, the Islamic Council of NSW and the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils (recently renamed Muslims Australia). rubbish, tinpot organisations. What made Tuesday's joint condemnation of last weekend's violence so significant was the fact that 25 Muslim organisations managed to join forces and agree on a position. For once, usually they just all cry victim. Oh wait that means they've agreed before But of equal significance was who was absent from that list of 25 signatories calling for an end to the violence.

Although Shiites make up about 15 per cent of Australian's Muslim community, there were no Shiite organisations on the list.

An even more glaring omission was the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, which remained aloof from the collective condemnation and issued its own directive. The inclusion in the group of the Islamic Council of NSW was not unrelated to the federation's absence, so deep is the animosity that runs between the two.

Over the past 15 years these peak bodies have dragged each other through the Supreme Court, with the federation permanently expelling the council from its membership umbrella more than a decade ago. Since then, the federation has made a number of attempts to create a new NSW council (the current one being Muslims NSW), while the Islamic Council of NSW remains stubbornly in existence. Like their religion, their so-called community is fractured into sects.

The spokesman these days for the federation is a familiar and controversial Sydney figure. Keysar Trad was the former interpreter and right-hand man of Sheikh Taj din al-Hilali, who was removed from the post of Grand Mufti of Australia in 2007 after his comparison of lightly clothed women to ''uncovered meat'' proved one incendiary comment too many. Trad too has had his day in the Supreme Court, successfully suing on appeal a defamation case against Radio 2GB following comments made after the Cronulla race riots in 2005. Trad and Hilali were overseers of that den of outrage, victimhood and racist xenophobes the Islamic Youth Movement, where they supported Al Qaeda, jihad and described non-muslims as infidels and sewage, that should not be allowed to pollute the purity of Islams pure stream.

He was then the public face of the Lebanese Muslim Association, the third group still vying for supremacy within the NSW Muslim community, and the body which led the group of 25 at Tuesday's media conference.

Trad told the Herald last weekend's violence was the product of ''young and empty-headed men'' like I've been saying - morons but his organisation chose not to be part of the collective because he believed the call for more government resources to be channelled into Sydney's communities of disaffected Muslim youths was ''inappropriate for the occasion''. yep their solution is always putting the hand out.

This ongoing disunity is costing the state's Muslim communities dearly, says Kuranda Seyit, the director of the Forum on Australia's Islamic Relations.

''The biggest hurdle facing Muslims in Sydney Australia is a lack of unity and co-operation,'' he says. ''And the inability to unify or get a message across comes with a lack of deep understanding of our faith.'' that's because your faith has no one interpretation that is accepted across all sects.

Seyit believes this problem has particular pertinence for the Lebanese Muslim community, which remains the largest ethnic subgroup under the broad umbrella of Islam. While the vast majority of Muslims with Lebanese heritage follow Sunni orthodoxy and are in line with mainstream Muslims around the world, small factions exist between the minority extremist groups, and those small factions appear to be growing. it only took how many to kill thousands on 9/11?

''Many grow up with only remnants of Islam, and as they get older and look for meaning, certainty and camaraderie they come across the radical fringes,'' says Seyit. ''These groups might only be made up of 2 or 3 per cent of the Muslim population but the disproportionately high amount of media coverage they get magnifies the perception that they are an important part of the mainstream Muslim community.''

Since last weekend's violence, police have zeroed in on Auburn's Bakhari House bookshop and prayer hall, where it is believed many of the rioters, largely of Lebanese background, are regular attendees of lectures held by the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah movement, led by its spiritual leader, Sheikh Abdul Salam Zoud, a graduate of the Islamic University of Madinah, in the holy Saudi city of Medina. wackos

It is largely thanks to one of Australia's home-grown clerics that the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah chapter in Auburn has attracted increasing attention over recent years. Sheikh Feiz Mohammed head wacko is known best to non-Muslim Australians for his claims that women are to blame for their rape because of the way they dress, his call for parents to offer up their children as soldiers for jihad to fight the ''Kaffir'' (non-Muslim) and a number of publicised hate-inspired rants against Jews. kaffir... that's us... the polluting sewage.

Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah translates literally to ''community of the pure descendants'' see... PURE... like I don't know these idiots and its followers strive to in essence turn back the clock to the time of Muhammad within its brand of Salafism, more commonly known in the non-Muslim world as fundamentalist Wahhabism.

Within the national umbrella of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah are a number of organisations, including the United Muslims Association, Global Islamic Youth Centre, Federation of Muslim Students and Youth, Islamic Cultural Centre and the Islamic Dawah and Culture Association. They changed the name of the Islamic youth movement after they got in trouble after 10 years of racist and xenophobic crap. Otherwise known as multicultural disunity.

While the group is small, because it is highly organised and runs a range of community and youth-focused programs it punches above its weight when it comes to visibility and influence.

On Wednesday Mohammed issued a press release, condemning the weekend's violence and insisting the protests were not authorised by him or the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah. Like he should be believed. Muslims are allowed to lie to the Kaffir.
''Although I am repulsed and disgusted by the provocative and repulsive film which was released … I do not accept the violent behaviour associated with the protest,'' he said, (the same guy that wants jewish genocide) going on to point out that Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah was one of the 25 Muslim groups which participated in the press conference condemning the violence.

A fringe group which was clearly identifiable at last weekend's riots was Hizb ut-Tahrir. Proscribed in other countries but not Australia. Why?

More political in its aims than religious, the movement is dedicated to the return of the caliphate - the unification of the Muslim world under Islamic law - and a popularly elected caliph, or leader, with much the same role as the one played by the Pope in the unification of global Catholicism.

Essentially the ''Party of Liberation'', the Hizb ut-Tahrir's persistent anti-violence claims in achieving this goal suggests either its spiritual leaders and frontman, Uthman Badar, have lost control over their young zealots, or that the movement's professed pacifism is a facade. ta daaaa

Hizb ut-Tahrir is banned in several Arab countries and faced being proscribed in Australia in 2005 after it was linked to the London bombings. ASIO subsequently cleared the party as a security threat on the grounds of insufficient evidence.

On Wednesday, Hizb ut-Tahrir issued a statement describing the actions of the protesters as ''praiseworthy'' and calling on Muslims to ''continue in their noble work of resisting Western attacks''.

''It is a clear illustration that the major issue with events in Sydney is not the violence, but the anti-Islamic agenda peddled by media and politicians,'' the statement said.

Seyit says the only way to combat the growing influence of any fringe group subscribing to extremism is by filling wisely the leadership gaps now occupied by these groups.

''The Muslim community is about half a million in total, yet of this population only about 50 or 60 per cent are active or observant Muslims,'' he says. Praise be to Allah

''It is this group that needs to be motivated to act and empowered to do so. Their efforts to act as a counter to extremist or fundamentalist groups will be the only feasible way to diminish their relevance and influence over marginalised fringe groups.''

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End Muslim Immigration 500,000 is way too many. Let them populate the Islamic world and leave the rest of us poor buggers alone.

[Rorschach]

Muslim protesters held to a hypocritical standard
September 24, 2012 - 1:40PM
Uthman Badar

The usual quiet of the streets of Piara Waters in Perth was abruptly broken the weekend before last. Five hundred teenage partygoers, gathering in response to a party advertised on social media, went out of control, hurling rocks, bottles and bricks at police.

Reinforcements including mounted police, the dog squad and police helicopter were summoned in an attempt to disperse the crowd. A 19-year-old was stabbed and an ambulance that came to assist the injured had its window smashed.

The Perth incident is evidently quite similar, if not worse, than the Sydney protest as far as objective facts go, and it occurred on the very same night. Yet it has been treated very differently.

It received nowhere near as much media coverage. It was not dubbed the "Perth riots". Politicians did not fall over one another to condemn the violence. Federal Parliament did not see a need to raise the issue in question time and forward bipartisan condemnation. Parents and community leaders in Piara Waters were not asked to condemn the behaviour, nor did they themselves go out of their way offer to apologies or to condemn the violence.
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Why the difference?

Much has been said about the protest in Sydney. It is instructive for us to separate the objective reality from the subjective coverage and commentary.

Objectively, protesters angry about a given matter clashing with police is not an uncommon phenomenon in Australia. We have seen it time and again. We saw it in the Occupy protests in Sydney and Melbourne. We saw it very recently at union protests in Melbourne.

In terms of the subjective response, it is uncommon that an entire community be held responsible and asked to apologise or condemn. It is uncommon for the Prime Minister, Opposition Leader, Foreign Minister, Premier and other high-ranking politicians all to weigh in on the matter. It is uncommon for the matter to be raised in Federal Parliament. It is uncommon for the incident to be headline news for an entire week. And it is certainly uncommon for all of this to occur together.

Yet this is precisely what the response to the Sydney protest has been.

The reason for this is clear. The political establishment and the mainstream media adopt a different standard when dealing with Islam and Muslims. Their demonisation of Islam and all things Islamic has been persistent for a long time now, and quite evident in the past decade.

Thus, what makes the Sydney protest different, in the eyes of media and politicians, is not the violence but that the protesters were Muslim, and that the protest finds its context in the overarching reality of Islam-West tensions.

In this respect the insulting film is merely a trigger and the latest manifestation of a persistent Western aggression against Islam and Muslims. An attack defined by the likes of the unjust invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, decades of Western support for dictators in the Middle East and North Africa, and decades of economic and political subjugation and exploitation of Muslim lands.

From drone strikes in Pakistan, to soldiers burning copies of the Koran in Afghanistan, to torture by rendition, Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib, and Baghram airbase; the list is as long as it is ugly. Yet some still ask why Muslim anger around the world is targeting the US?

When this context is mentioned some respond by the allegation that we are justifying the violence. This is cheap tactic to avoid addressing the real issues. We have been clear on the point that we do not condone violent protest.

Yes, we do not condemn the protesters. We uphold the presumption of innocence. Not because we condone violence, but because it is against all principles to judge people as guilty without all the facts being clear. All the witness accounts I have heard, and some media reports, suggest significant police provocation. What is the reality? Time will tell. Until then, media trials and sensational coverage is not a valid basis on which to condemn people.

Our focus should be on the real underlying issues. It is easy to scapegoat individuals for the deep social frays of a society. It is much harder to hold the powerful institutions – media and political establishment – to account for creating the environment that gives rise to and facilitates social tension.

If we continue down this path of turning a blind eye or providing hollow justifications to those who inflict the worst types of violence on entire nations such as Afghanistan while getting all worked up about clashes in Sydney that pale in comparison, then we can only expect the situation to get worse, to the detriment of everyone.

Uthman Badar is the spokesman of Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia, an Islamic political party that is dedicated to the unification of the Muslim world under Islamic law.

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[Outlaw Yogi]

Well I grew up in the Sutherland Shire (no ethnic dramas as there were no ethnic enclaves) as part of left wing Labor family, taught to oppose racism, had an Aboriginal forster brother, Korean adopted sister, and several black girlfriends of various races. Then I had a mag/alloy wheel repair business in Sydney's western suburbs and learnt to despise Muslims, especially Lebanese Muslims. I don't particularly dislike Turks, but I have seen a Turkish tent head woman squat down and shit in the street between two parked cars.

Anyway these days I'm an extremist, because if this country had a civil war, I would take such an opportunity to hunt and eliminate Muslims. Just for being Muslim. But don't think my animosity for Mohhamed drones would pretect Jesus freaks, Moses wailers or Shiva psychos. Y'see in the unlikely event I become dictator, I would outlaw religion. And then let those wishing to moderate such sentiment, to deem religious faith a treatable illness.

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[Black Orchid]

Now that Geert Wilders has finally been granted a visa I am sure we are going to see a lot worse.

Just weeks after violent protests exploded on the streets in Sydney and around the world over an amateur video parodying Islam, Immigration Minister Chris Bowen said he would not block the visa – but condemned Mr Wilders's views as "offensive", "ignorant" and "wrong-headed'.

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Sure Chris. Let's not upset the muzzies

Let's hope it does upset the neanderthal barbarians. Things are obviously going to have to get a lot worse before it comes to a head, which it will

[Super Nova]

Well I grew up in the Sutherland Shire (no ethnic dramas as there were no ethnic enclaves) as part of left wing Labor family, taught to oppose racism, had an Aboriginal forster brother, Korean adopted sister, and several black girlfriends of various races. Then I had a mag/alloy wheel repair business in Sydney's western suburbs and learnt to despise Muslims, especially Lebanese Muslims. I don't particularly dislike Turks, but I have seen a Turkish tent head woman squat down and shit in the street between two parked cars.

Anyway these days I'm an extremist, because if this country had a civil war, I would take such an opportunity to hunt and eliminate Muslims. Just for being Muslim. But don't think my animosity for Mohhamed drones would pretect Jesus freaks, Moses wailers or Shiva psychos. Y'see in the unlikely event I become dictator, I would outlaw religion. And then let those wishing to moderate such sentiment, to deem religious faith a treatable illness.

You are right........... that is an extreme view.

I have lived and worked in Islamic cultures.

Very few are extremists. Their religion and teachings having similar values to christianity.

In the dark ages, christians and it's leaders had similar extremists views. Islam has not had a reformation (an update).

The west evolved a separation of state and religion which is the biggest step forward in the recent history of civilisation (I think). The right to practice your beliefs is OK. Shoving it down others throats is not. Killing people is not.

I have not issues with Muslums. Most are fine people. Good values.

I have issues with extremist from any religion of cult. They should be the focus. We can not brand all Muslums evil because a few are.

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A CELL of up to 30 violent jihadists may remain active in Australia, according to the man who indoctrinated them while establishing a local branch of the terror group Jemaah Islamiah.

Radical Islamic preacher Abdul Rahman Ayub, who was the deputy leader of JI in Australia to his twin brother, Abdul Rahim, has told The Sunday Age they were sent by Indonesia's godfather of terrorism, Abu Bakar Bashir, in 1997 to train young radicals in their form of Islam.

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[Outlaw Yogi]

Well I grew up in the Sutherland Shire (no ethnic dramas as there were no ethnic enclaves) as part of left wing Labor family, taught to oppose racism, had an Aboriginal forster brother, Korean adopted sister, and several black girlfriends of various races. Then I had a mag/alloy wheel repair business in Sydney's western suburbs and learnt to despise Muslims, especially Lebanese Muslims. I don't particularly dislike Turks, but I have seen a Turkish tent head woman squat down and shit in the street between two parked cars.

Anyway these days I'm an extremist, because if this country had a civil war, I would take such an opportunity to hunt and eliminate Muslims. Just for being Muslim. But don't think my animosity for Mohhamed drones would pretect Jesus freaks, Moses wailers or Shiva psychos. Y'see in the unlikely event I become dictator, I would outlaw religion. And then let those wishing to moderate such sentiment, to deem religious faith a treatable illness.

You are right........... that is an extreme view.

I have lived and worked in Islamic cultures.

Very few are extremists. Their religion and teachings having similar values to christianity.

In the dark ages, christians and it's leaders had similar extremists views. Islam has not had a reformation (an update).

The west evolved a separation of state and religion which is the biggest step forward in the recent history of civilisation (I think). The right to practice your beliefs is OK. Shoving it down others throats is not. Killing people is not.

I have not issues with Muslums. Most are fine people. Good values.

I have issues with extremist from any religion of cult. They should be the focus. We can not brand all Muslums evil because a few are.

I brand all religions as psychotic, 2nd only to malnutrition as the leading cause of mental ilnesses, and #1 predator of the mentally ill.
There is no more truth in religious texts (any of them) than there is in Aesop's fables, and I brand anyone proslethizing on behalf of, or advocating for any such faith based belief systems as a 'Snake charmer and/or Snake oil salesman'.

Admitedly I found the Bon Po's Tibetan Book of the Dead quite fascinating, but not about to spruik for it.
IMO religion should be relegated to the bookshelf between mythology and philosophy, and its practicioners/adherents be excluded from decision making processes relevant to secular society and/or civilisation.