ACT introduces Marriage Equality Bill

[Chard]

Are you seriously trying to frame a rights issue with a "why would" example?

And you think a civil court wouldn't ask the same in a tort case, numbnuts?

[IQS.RLOW]

You obviously dont understand the anti discrimination laws in Australia. Best you cease commenting before you make a bigger idiot of yourself than you already have.

[Chard]

You obviously dont understand the anti discrimination laws in Australia. Best you cease commenting before you make a bigger idiot of yourself than you already have.

You're missing my point entirely, dude. What I'm trying to figure out is how you guys somehow arrived at discrimination laws should effect religious institutions. Here we have a right to religious freedom, and we also have protections against intruding on free religious speech. We balance the rights to religious expression vs anti discrimination laws through the tax exempt status of religious institutions. This shit isn't rocket surgery, so explain how you guys managed to fuck this up so badly.

[Aussie]

You obviously dont understand the anti discrimination laws in Australia. Best you cease commenting before you make a bigger idiot of yourself than you already have.

You're missing my point entirely, dude. What I'm trying to figure out is how you guys somehow arrived at discrimination laws should effect religious institutions. Here we have a right to religious freedom, and we also have protections against intruding on free religious speech. We balance the rights to religious expression vs anti discrimination laws through the tax exempt status of religious institutions. This shit isn't rocket surgery, so explain how you guys managed to fuck this up so badly.

Wet the bed, did you?

[IQS.RLOW]

You obviously dont understand the anti discrimination laws in Australia. Best you cease commenting before you make a bigger idiot of yourself than you already have.

You're missing my point entirely, dude. What I'm trying to figure out is how you guys somehow arrived at discrimination laws should effect religious institutions. Here we have a right to religious freedom, and we also have protections against intruding on free religious speech. We balance the rights to religious expression vs anti discrimination laws through the tax exempt status of religious institutions. This shit isn't rocket surgery, so explain how you guys managed to fuck this up so badly.

You should see how fucked up our racial descrimination laws are.

It get fucked up because of 6 years of a leftwing govt with a bat shit insane Attorney General who was on her way to produce the next round of anti-discrimination laws where it would have been made illegal to "offend or insult" based on 'political opinion' amongst other things, but they were tossed out of govt before they could get it passed.

How does tax exemption act to balance religious freedom and anti-descrimination?

[Chard]

How does tax exemption act to balance religious freedom and anti-descrimination?

If a charity or church in the US wants to qualify for and keep a tax exempt status they have to meet certain requirements. For example, religious institutions are forbidden from using their faith to coerce their parishioners to vote a certain way during elections. Another requirement is that the organization cannot promote discrimination (there are loopholes, see the Latter Day Saints using cut-away groups to influence gay rights issues in California).

If a religious group wants they can forgo the tax exemption and they can discriminate all they want with in the bounds of lawful free speech. But if they want tax exempt status they have to obey federal guidelines in accordance with the US Constitution and Federal statute.

[Jovial_Monk]

Interesting!

[Neferti]

You might be interested to read the Marriage Legislation Amendment Bill, 2004, which defines marriage as between a man and a woman and which ruled out the option of same-sex marriage.

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2004B ... andum/Text

[Neferti]

Oh, and the Marriage Equality Bill 2013 in the ACT

http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/b/db_ ... efault.asp

[Chard]

You might be interested to read the Marriage Legislation Amendment Bill, 2004, which defines marriage as between a man and a woman and which ruled out the option of same-sex marriage.

We had the exact same same stuff under the Deference of Marriage Act. Section 3 of DOMA also had a definition of marriage as being between a man and a woman. Section 3 recently got ruled unconstitutional by the US Supreme Court for violating the right to due process granted under the Fifth Amendment of the Bill of Rights of the US Constitution.

So what's Australia's excuse?