Is Multiculturalism a failure?

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Re: Is Multiculturalism a failure?

Post by Rorschach » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:14 am

Muslim unrest doesn't denote cultural crisis
September 24, 2012
Tim Soutphommasane

THE recent protests by Muslim youths in Sydney have rightly shocked just about all of us. In many respects, the episode parallels the Cronulla riots of December 2005. Both events deserved unqualified condemnation. There is no place for organised mob violence in our democratic society.
And yet, some observers have been pointing to recent events as conclusive evidence of systemic cultural discord. Commentator Greg Sheridan was quick to diagnose ''a crisis for Australian multiculturalism''. Gerard Henderson has intoned that, ''whatever the response of Muslims, the incident provides yet more evidence that multiculturalism - after a promising start - has failed''.
The now infamous proclamations about beheading those who insult Muhammad reflect an interpretation of Islam that is incompatible with our liberal democracy. We do not behead people in Australia. We handle our disagreements as democratic citizens - not as religious zealots.
As social reality, multiculturalism simply describes cultural diversity as it exists in society. As public policy, however, it describes a set of approaches to settlement and integration for immigrants. It reflects the view that a society is better off taking active steps to welcome immigrants as future citizens, and accepting that a national identity will evolve over time.
Conservatives such as Sheridan and Henderson provide interesting examples of how centre-right opinion on the issue has shifted during the past decade or so. Once prominent defenders of multiculturalism during the rise of Hansonism, Sheridan and Henderson now repudiate it. They have suggested that the European experience with Muslim immigrants highlights the need for a more assertive approach to affirming democratic rights.
The central idea is this. While we shouldn't demand new arrivals discard their cultural heritage, we should expect they become Australian citizens over time.

But any right to express one's cultural identity comes with the responsibility to accept our parliamentary democracy, the rule of law, equality of the sexes, freedom of religion, and English as the national language.
It has also been a virtue of Australian multicultural policy that it has traditionally enjoyed support from all sides of politics. Admittedly, there have been some question marks about the federal Coalition's commitment ever since the Howard years. But last week, speaking at the Australian Multicultural Council inaugural lecture, Tony Abbott showed signs of a renewed bipartisanship.

Offering ''a personal confession'', the Opposition Leader noted: ''With Geoffrey Blainey, I used to worry that multiculturalism could leave us a nation of tribes. But I was wrong and I've changed my mind.''
Tim Soutphommasane is a political philosopher at Monash University, the author of Don't Go Back to Where You Came From, and a member of the Australian Multicultural Council.

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The Conservatives are wrong? Sorry Tim, but I guess that depends on your opinion and I'm betting yours may be just a tad biased.
We don't need Multiculturalism. WE never did... it is a great big waste of our money, that could be better spent elsewhere.
It was brought about by a small group of lobbyists and progressive pollies who were easily led. We never had a choice about it and Hawke refused to give us one, because he knew it would not pass a referendum.

Those of us who live daily at the Multiculti coalface know it is a failure. If you want to discuss diversity policy within a society, then look at the worlds biggest study by Robert Putnam, who wanted to prove it worked. He instead, found it created disharmony, withdrawal and isolation within societies.

Multiculturalism replaced; Assimilation and Integration as settlement policies it requires neither. Multiculti has been redefined several times since the 70s to try and get it right, to gain wider public acceptance. It has failed.

Since its inception it has been a failure on so many levels. The cracks have been getting bigger year after year. To deny the obvious is to be ignorant or disingenuous. To call Multiculturalism, Assimilation or Integration is wrong, and dishonest. To base a society on tolerance is also wrong. Tolerance is not acceptance nor is it the glue we need for social cohesion. The Australian culture and character has allowed us to escape the worst aspects of social decay so far, not Multiculturalism.
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Re: Is Multiculturalism a failure?

Post by Rorschach » Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:48 pm

Malcolm Fraser father of Multiculti and the Australian lebanese problem.
Face it... they are a problem.
Rioting youths 'could be the next terrorists'
September 27, 2012
Barney Zwartz, Jonathan Swan

VIOLENT young Muslim men who took part in the Sydney riot two weeks ago could step up to become the next terrorists if they fall under the wrong influences, a senior Australian Federal Police officer says.

The assistant commissioner for counter-terrorism, Steve Lancaster, raised particular concerns about members of the Lebanese community, saying they were over-represented in the ''distorted Sunni Islamist ideology'' in Australia. While they comprise 23 per cent of the country's Muslim population, they make up 60 per cent of those arrested on terrorism charges, he said.

''Australian jihadis have fought overseas and have the ability to influence young and disaffected men here in Australia, trying to influence them to do something - that is the major risk,'' Mr Lancaster said at an international conference on terrorism and counter-terrorism in Melbourne yesterday. ''These people will be looking at the young men in the riots and could seek to recruit those with serious violent tendencies,'' he said.

The President of the Lebanese Muslim Association, Samier Dandan, said Mr Lancaster was demonising people based on prosecutions, not convictions, so the percentile of Lebanese could be lower when all the cases were heard. "You are innocent until proven guilty in this country. Is this how we are going to label the Muslim community?"

There are more than 470,000 Muslims listed on the latest census. Thirty eight people have been charged with terrorism offences in the past decade.

Ikebal Patel, the vice-president of Muslims Australia, said: "There's always the risk [of terrorist recruitment], but the Australian Muslim community is vigilant on external influences."

A spokesman for Al-Risalah, an Islamic bookshop and community centre in Bankstown whose members took part in the Sydney protests, said: ''It's a bit far-fetched to be honest. I have never heard of such a thing as an Australian jihadi.''

Mr Lancaster said the raids earlier this month on people associated with the al-Furqan bookshop in Melbourne showed terrorism was still a real threat, but the trend was moving from large, spectacular attacks to small, simple attacks.

He said the new lone-wolf mode of attack was even more challenging for security agencies. ''There are hard-core people who are not going to stop and probably need to be jailed to keep the community safer,'' he said.

International experts have suggested that many terrorists have a very superficial understanding of their cause, and Mr Lancaster said of the protesters that ''a small group just wanted to go and punch on with the coppers - straight-out hooliganism''. It took a quantum leap to go from talking about violence to being a terrorist.

Some Muslims in Australia had strong links with Lebanon, Afghanistan and Pakistan. ''When they return it is very difficult to find out what they've been up to and how extreme they have become. It's very difficult to assess what influence they will have in Australia. That's why it's important to have strong links with international authorities.''

Andrew Zammit, a researcher at Monash University's Global Terrorist Research Centre, told the conference that since 2003 Australia had only experienced self-starting plots, and the threat now came from groups and individuals more often inspired by al-Qaeda than directed by them.

It was not because Australia lacked jihadis, as dozens had travelled to train or fight overseas. The main factor was that global terrorism's ''middle management'', the people who linked the grassroots with the leadership and the overseas training camps, had been largely disrupted.

But if al-Qaeda or a like-minded group took power in Syria, that could be dangerous for Australia because of the Lebanese connection, he said.


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Re: Is Multiculturalism a failure?

Post by Rorschach » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:50 am

multiculturalism fosters a them and us mentality in society.

Are we now going to have one law for them and another for us?

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Speaking at a Melbourne University forum last week, former Victorian of the Year Berhan Ahmed said members of the African community should be granted leniency by police until they acclimatised to Australian laws.
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Re: Is Multiculturalism a failure?

Post by Neferti » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:50 pm

Rorschach wrote:multiculturalism fosters a them and us mentality in society.

Are we now going to have one law for them and another for us?

excerpt...
Speaking at a Melbourne University forum last week, former Victorian of the Year Berhan Ahmed said members of the African community should be granted leniency by police until they acclimatised to Australian laws.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/call- ... z29E5BUTxH" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:rofl :rofl :rofl Let them run wild until they get used to living here. :roll: Unbelievable!

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Re: Is Multiculturalism a failure?

Post by Rorschach » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:27 am

Cultural equality is nonsense...
So is importing people from countries where this sort of behaviour is known to exist.

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Re: Is Multiculturalism a failure?

Post by Rorschach » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:46 pm

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Re: Is Multiculturalism a failure?

Post by Black Orchid » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:23 pm

Is multiculturalism a failure?

Yes. Enough said lol

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Re: Is Multiculturalism a failure?

Post by Jovial Monk » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:52 pm

Walk through the city streets—and enjoy the multiculturalism everywhere!

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Re: Is Multiculturalism a failure?

Post by Rorschach » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:27 pm

No thanks...
rather interact with people who can understand me, that speak English, wont try to intimidate me, don't carry knives or guns, steal my car or phone 20 or more friends that are likely to beat me up for looking at them "the wrong way" or rape my girlfriend.
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Re: Is Multiculturalism a failure?

Post by Black Orchid » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:43 pm

Jovial Monk wrote:Walk through the city streets—and enjoy the multiculturalism everywhere!
Certain aspects (contributed by those who assimilate), of course, but walk through certain parts of Sydney and get shot

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