Global Warming

[IQS.RLOW]

When I want your opinion, I'll wipe

[Rorschach]

Actually Arsie the Left has infiltrated the Greens and various Environmental organisations. They have politicised the environment and the science. In this case Global Warming/Climate Change has been well and truly politicised, there was even a propaganda film circulated around the globe featuring a politician - Al Gore. The UN via the IPCC are using the issue to redistribute wealth around the world. Take from the West and give to the Rest.

[Aussie]

there was even a propaganda film circulated around the globe featuring a politician - Al Gore.

Indeed there was. And that is now well and truly forgotten, and of NIL current 'political' influence. 'Sustainability,' is the new black.

[IQS.RLOW]

You best stay out of this thread seeing that
1. It doesn't interest you
2. You do not understand it
3. Your comprehension of what is and isn't a political issue is fundamentally flawed

Go play in one of the epic threads that you created- you should find one on about page 15 or so...

[Rorschach]

there was even a propaganda film circulated around the globe featuring a politician - Al Gore.

Indeed there was. And that is now well and truly forgotten, and of NIL current 'political' influence. 'Sustainability,' is the new black.

Ah no unfortunately it is not and it had its impact...
It had quite a large political impact Gore is Democrat and lets not forget A Nobel prize winner... what did he win that for? Hmmm?

It even effect political party policy and election results here.

[Super Nova]

OK, IQ and RS.

Time for falling on the sword.

I have gone to the sites and searched because I have had the time and I conclude.....

- I did have preconceptions that are old and the sites I visit are continuing to show old data.
- The new sites that are more up-to-date show there has been a stablisation of temperature.

“The most depressing feature of this debate is that anyone who questions the alarmist, doomsday scenario will automatically be labelled a climate change ‘denier’, and accused of jeopardising the future of humanity. So let’s be clear. Yes: global warming is real, and some of it at least has been caused by the CO2 emitted by fossil fuels. But the evidence is beginning to suggest that it may be happening much slower than the catastrophists have claimed – a conclusion with enormous policy implications.”

ICSC comment:
The science backing the climate scare clearly continues to fall apart. But, with the billions of dollars still supporting it, and many media and politicians heavily invested in perpetuating the scare, it will continue for some time to come, continuing to cost society plenty. Helping shorten the time the climate scare continues is ICSC’s main job right now.

We have our work cut out for us. Consider the recent upsurge in popular support in the U.S. for the idea that “global warming” is caused by human activities:

Fuck I had to climb down. I need to do more research into this but on face value I see:
- CO2 is a warming agent but may not be a severe as first modelled
- The past models cannot predict this 16 year flatness
- We don't understand the natural cycle and it's impact on what has been observed.
- I was with the doomdayers but need to reconsider my position... hacve not done the research but will keep an open mind.

I do not understand why the poles are still decreasing in ice.

This is effecting our ability to make the right policies, therefore a major political issue.

Come on IQ, RS.... get on with the kicking. I reserve to right to comeback when I have had more time to look into this. I could be reading biased information and don't recognise some of the sources. However.....

[Aussie]

Get a room.

[IQS.RLOW]

Next time just remember...

[Rorschach]

I don't think there has been any sign of warming in Antarctica SN, beyond the normal range of temps.

[Super Nova]

Get a room.

Contribute or remain silent.

Politics of global warming
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The politics of global warming are very complex due to numerous factors that arise from the global economy's complex interdependence on carbon dioxide emitting hydrocarbon energy sources and carbon dioxide being directly implicated in global warming - making global warming a non-traditional / non-conventional environmental challenge and its politics extremely complex:
1.Implications to all aspects of a nation-state's economy - A consensus of the world's scientists attribute global warming to the release of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases which implicates almost every aspect of a nation-state's economy because the vast majority of the world's economy relies on energy sources or manufacturing techniques that release greenhouse gases at almost every stage of production, transportation, storage, delivery & disposal;[1]
2.Perceived lack of adequate advanced energy technologies - Fossil fuel abundance and low prices continue to put pressure on the development of adequate advanced energy technologies that can realistically replace the role of fossil fuels - over 91% of the worlds energy is derived from fossil fuels and non carbon-neutral technologies.[2] Developing countries do not have cost effective access to the advanced energy technologies that they need for development (most advanced technologies has been developed by and exist in the developed world). Without adequate and cost effective post-hydrocarbon energy sources, it is unlikely the countries of the developed or developing world would accept policies that would materially affect their economic vitality or economic development prospects;
3.Industrialization of the developing world - Developing nations have only recently started to industrialize and their carbon dioxide emissions are beginning to rise at a time when the scientific community is telling the world that carbon dioxide emissions should be decreasing (without access to cost effective and abundant energy sources many developing countries see climate change as an oppressor that is keeping them from developing naturally);
4.Metric selection (transparency) and perceived responsibility / ability to respond - Disagreements exist over which greenhouse gas emission metrics should be used like total emissions per year, per capita emissions per year, CO2 emissions only, deforestation emissions, livestock emissions or even total historical emissions. The release of carbon dioxide has not been historically even among all nation-states and nation-states have challenges with determining who should restrict emissions and at what point of their industrial development they should be subject to such commitments;
5.Vulnerable developing countries and developed country legacy emissions - Some developing nations fix blame on the developed world for having created the challenge because it was the developed countries that emitted most of the carbon dioxide over the twentieth century and they perceive that it should be the developed countries that should pay to address the challenge;
6.Consensus-driven global governance models - The global governance bodies that evolved during the 20th century are all consensus driven deliberative forums where agreement is difficult to achieve and even when it is achieved almost impossible to enforce;
7.Well organized and funded special-interest lobbying bodies - Special interest lobbying by well organized groups distort and amplify aspects of the challenge (environmental lobbying, energy industry lobbying, other special interest lobbying);
8.Politicization of climate science - Although there is a consensus on the science of global warming and its likely effects - some special interests groups work to suppress the consensus while others work to amplify the alarm of global warming. All parties that engage in such acts add to the politicization of the science of global warming. The result is a clouding of the reality of global warming.

The urgency of the global warming challenge combined with the implication of almost every facet of a nation-state's economic interests places significant burdens on the established largely-voluntary global institutions that have developed over the last century; institutions that have been unable to effectively reshape themselves and move fast enough to deal with this unique challenge. Rapidly developing countries who see traditional energy sources as a means to fuel their development, well funded aggressive environmental lobbying groups and an established fossil fuel energy paradigm boasting a mature and sophisticated political lobbying infrastructure all combine to make global warming politics extremely polarized. Distrust between developed and developing countries at most international conferences that seek to address the topic add to the challenges. With the advent of the Internet and the additional development of media technologies like blogs and other mechanisms for disseminating information that enable the exponential growth in production and dissemination of competing points of view all make it near impossible for the development and dissemination of an objective view into the enormity of the subject matter and its politics.