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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:55 pm

Rorschach wrote:I may dismiss opinion, but not real science.
I would certainly question in true scientific fashion the claims being made.

http://joannenova.com.au/2015/01/man-ma ... o-warming/
It’s not fossil fuels causing global warming, it’s man-made adjustments. Stop the adjustments!
It's not real science to use edge case data issues to dismiss all data and therefore conclude the whole theory must be wrong. Let's look at your latest evidence in the link you provided.
It’s not fossil fuels causing global warming, it’s man-made adjustments. Stop the adjustments!

In South America, there are hardly any rural land thermometers. GISS tells us the area is warming (see the map below). Paul Homewood looked at the raw data. There are only three rural stations currently operating in the area, Puerto Casado, Mariscal, and San Juan, and they all show a raw trend that falls. As in so many other situations, after adjustments, all three show a rising trend. The changes are breathtaking. In Mariscal raw temperatures of 25.5C turned out to be “really” 22.5C. (Those 1950 thermometers were hopeless ;-) ). In San Juan Bautista, and Puerto Casasdo the old thermometers get adjusted down by around two degrees. Perhaps there are reasons for the adjustments, but if old thermometers so so bad, and station changes have made such a difference, why does any scientist pretend we can calculate global temperatures accurately?
So we take 3 old thermometer that scientist have decided are inaccurate and we claim data is manipulated. I would have thought someone did a calibration exercise to find they are not accurate however with some calibration post measurement the result can be adjusted. You know like.... take an accurate thermometer and see what the difference is and adjust the measurement to this differential assigned by the calibration. that way the equipment still serves it's purpose and moneys are saved.

So 1950 thermometers are hopeless.... it is all we have for that region and with calibration the measurements become meaningful. A valid practice. In fact I would be more concerned if they we not tested and calibration never done.

Please try harder. I can see that anything that supports you conspiracy theory will be raised. Please bring more so we can analyse them one by one.

BTW, do you accept that the oceans are warming (yes or no) ?

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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:05 pm

This is just a tragedy if this is all true. I am interested in how thi really effects the forecast with all the other data sources.

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The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever

New data shows that the “vanishing” of polar ice is not the result of runaway global warming©

When future generations look back on the global-warming scare of the past 30 years, nothing will shock them more than the extent to which the official temperature records – on which the entire panic ultimately rested – were systematically “adjusted” to show the Earth as having warmed much more than the actual data justified.

Two weeks ago, under the headline “How we are being tricked by flawed data on global warming”, I wrote about Paul Homewood, who, on his Notalotofpeopleknowthat blog, had checked the published temperature graphs for three weather stations in Paraguay against the temperatures that had originally been recorded. In each instance, the actual trend of 60 years of data had been dramatically reversed, so that a cooling trend was changed to one that showed a marked warming.

This was only the latest of many examples of a practice long recognised by expert observers around the world – one that raises an ever larger question mark over the entire official surface-temperature record.

Following my last article, Homewood checked a swathe of other South American weather stations around the original three. In each case he found the same suspicious one-way “adjustments”. First these were made by the US government’s Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN). They were then amplified by two of the main official surface records, the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (Giss) and the National Climate Data Center (NCDC), which use the warming trends to estimate temperatures across the vast regions of the Earth where no measurements are taken. Yet these are the very records on which scientists and politicians rely for their belief in “global warming”.

Homewood has now turned his attention to the weather stations across much of the Arctic, between Canada (51 degrees W) and the heart of Siberia (87 degrees E). Again, in nearly every case, the same one-way adjustments have been made, to show warming up to 1 degree C or more higher than was indicated by the data that was actually recorded. This has surprised no one more than Traust Jonsson, who was long in charge of climate research for the Iceland met office (and with whom Homewood has been in touch). Jonsson was amazed to see how the new version completely “disappears” Iceland’s “sea ice years” around 1970, when a period of extreme cooling almost devastated his country’s economy.

One of the first examples of these “adjustments” was exposed in 2007 by the statistician Steve McIntyre, when he discovered a paper published in 1987 by James Hansen, the scientist (later turned fanatical climate activist) who for many years ran Giss. Hansen’s original graph showed temperatures in the Arctic as having been much higher around 1940 than at any time since. But as Homewood reveals in his blog post, “Temperature adjustments transform Arctic history”, Giss has turned this upside down. Arctic temperatures from that time have been lowered so much that that they are now dwarfed by those of the past 20 years.

Homewood’s interest in the Arctic is partly because the “vanishing” of its polar ice (and the polar bears) has become such a poster-child for those trying to persuade us that we are threatened by runaway warming. But he chose that particular stretch of the Arctic because it is where ice is affected by warmer water brought in by cyclical shifts in a major Atlantic current – this last peaked at just the time 75 years ago when Arctic ice retreated even further than it has done recently. The ice-melt is not caused by rising global temperatures at all.

Of much more serious significance, however, is the way this wholesale manipulation of the official temperature record – for reasons GHCN and Giss have never plausibly explained – has become the real elephant in the room of the greatest and most costly scare the world has known. This really does begin to look like one of the greatest scientific scandals of all time.

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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:31 pm

You will be making excuses for this or ignoring it just like every other piece of evidence thrown at you that there is no conclusive evidence of AGW.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by AshLee » Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:58 pm

I can't believe the global warming loony's are still at it. The grass has never been greener and this year was way cooler than last year. Ohh poo. I know.

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Re: Global Warming

Post by mellie » Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:16 pm

I dont deny climate change, our climate has been changing for 4.54 billion years.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by AshLee » Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:18 pm

mellie wrote:I dont deny climate change, our climate has been changing for 4.54 billion years.
Agreed.

When the loons found out the earth wasn't warming they started saying 'climate change' instead. Funny dat.

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Re: Global Warming

Post by Rorschach » Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:26 pm

I've found your latest posts and personal insults rather offensive SN.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:24 pm

Rorschach wrote:I've found your latest posts and personal insults rather offensive SN.
My apologies, no offense intended.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:04 pm

Rorschach wrote:I've found your latest posts and personal insults rather offensive SN.
Me too.
Thanks!
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:37 pm

IQS.RLOW wrote:
Rorschach wrote:I've found your latest posts and personal insults rather offensive SN.
Me too.
Thanks!
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aaarrghh me hearty.

For you, I'll make the exception. I am pleased you chose to be offended. :rofl
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