Labor face disaster if........

[Jovial Monk]

You can’t read, can you harry? For the first time ever standards and training were introduced. If the HIP had not been implemented and those houses been insulated over the next fifteen (actually, 18 I think) years you would have seen more deaths and more than double the number of house fires caused by insulation. Retrofitting of insulation is one of the most dangerous of occupations. It is now a lot less dangerous thanks to the HIP.

You can never guarantee no deaths on a major project. There were deaths in building the Sydney Harbor bridge (and the Westgate Bridge in Melbourne where I am sure a new span fell into the river. There were deaths building the Snow Scheme. Every year there are deaths on the waterside and in construction. There will likely be at least one death building the NBN. Let us not even mention underground coal mining where every year dozens of miners die. But the HIP saw the number of deaths per 1000 installations DROP!

By writing standards, by instituting training etc the govt did carry out its duty of care. Some installation companies did not.

[harry climber]

The government have a duty of care to ensure any/all policies that they implement are issued safely and are not abused.
However due to the government rushing this insulation program they failed to install the correct checks and controls.
This then allowed incorrect, unlicenced, untrained people to participate in the goverment program which then in turn led to the four deaths.
The government is not able to bring those four dead people back, and the families of those men will forever suffer due to the incompetence of the ALP.
However, the government has realised their mistake and withdrawn the program, but still they do have the deaths of those men to add to the disasterous program.

[Viking King.]

The government have a duty of care for all their policies, when the government failed to implement this then that led to the "cowboys" being able to enter the insulation market.
The government have checks and controls on other industries, except they failed in this program.

The ALP were hasty in the rollout of insulation program, it had not been thought through by the government and that in itself led to the four deaths.

WorkCover (a gov't agent) also have the right to walk on to your property and check all of you tools in your shed and fine you for having faulty tools, electrical tools that have not been assessed and marked as in good working order or for not having braided electrical cords to prevent them being cut through, but do they?
The gov't did not have nor will it ever have the ability to have agents or assessors walk on to every job done under thier funding and have it inspected for safety.
Simple fact is, the contractor that did the work is the one responsable, you and I can go out and obtain a business name and start work, you and I can set up an office do carry out major contsruction work but we ourselves do not have to have qualifications, but when we send a worker out to do a job, you and I are in trouble when something is done wrong because we have the agreement to do that job, not the person paying for it,
The boss on the job has to have "duty of care" his/her workers must sit and read through "JSA"
I guarrentee not one of the insulation jobs was done that way, therefore it is the contractor on the that job to be help accountable for any faults that arise from it, the "JSA" it to help control the possabilities of any accidents, should there be an accident or fault it can be tracked according to the steps outlined in the "JSA"
How do I know? I did my Cert IV Assessor & Workplace Trainer, I did my Cert IV OH&S, in the OH&S it gives you access to all laws related to the worksite and who is responsable for what, you can look it up yourself, it allows public access.

[harry climber]

SImply put the government did not check to ensure that those undertaking the insulation program were authorised licenced and trained to do so.
Instead they did not think through what was involved in the installation of insulation and considered it a risk free venture.
The government failed in their duty of care.
The four deaths have proved the government were wrong and have proved that the government failed in this disasterous program and duty of care.

[Jovial Monk]

The government have a duty of care to ensure any/all policies that they implement are issued safely and are not abused.
However due to the government rushing this insulation program they failed to install the correct checks and controls.

You have trouble reading? For the first time EVER checks and controls were installed in the retrofitting of insulation industry. If they had not done so there would have been a lot more than four deaths believe you me!

[IQS.RLOW]

ITT: Monk, leftwinger and Viking all trying desperately to defend an out of control govt who's wasteful policies have not only resulted in throwing money away, they have resulted in deaths. Only someone as brain dead as Monk could still champion the idea even after it has been canned by the party because even they know they can't hide the rorts and the deaths that THEY allowed.

Well done on celebrating liebor and their fucking hopelessness you useless fucking tards

For the first time EVER checks and controls were installed in the retrofitting of insulation industry

For the first time ever, checks and controls were necessary because of the cowboys and rorting that liebor attracts

Streets and suburbs were submitted to this massive rort that didn't even have insulation put in. This is the sort of business that liebor attract- crooks and theives

[Viking King.]

Apart from all that, when a contractor approached a home owner few of them offered more than one insulation product,
I know of one where the lady who employed about 10 asian people, simply walked in and said
"We are here to fit new insulation, it's all free"
No measurements were taken of the area to be fitted, a quote was writen for $1200.00, it was finished in 15 mins, the quote/bill sent to the gov't so they can be paid.
1st, the person who made contact with home owner is at fault for not taking measurements to give a fair and honest quote,
2nd, each worker of this asian team would have got the pay allowed for the 15 mins work and the contact person walks off with $1000 for 15 mins work, plus, a great deal of the contractors in NSW came down from Q/land, so it was shonky work carried out by shonky Q/landers.

[IQS.RLOW]

Apart from all that, when a contractor approached a home owner few of them offered more than one insulation product,
I know of one where the lady who employed about 10 asian people, simply walked in and said
"We are here to fit new insulation, it's all free"
No measurements were taken of the area to be fitted, a quote was writen for $1200.00, it was finished in 15 mins, the quote/bill sent to the gov't so they can be paid.
1st, the person who made contact with home owner is at fault for not taking measurements to give a fair and honest quote,
2nd, each worker of this asian team would have got the pay allowed for the 15 mins work and the contact person walks off with $1000 for 15 mins work, plus, a great deal of the contractors in NSW came down from Q/land, so it was shonky work carried out by shonky Q/landers.

And you can blame your shonky liebor party for allowing it. Without liebor, none of it would have been possible

[harry climber]

ITT: Monk, leftwinger and Viking all trying desperately to defend an out of control govt who's wasteful policies have not only resulted in throwing money away, they have resulted in deaths. Only someone as brain dead as Monk could still champion the idea even after it has been canned by the party because even they know they can't hide the rorts and the deaths that THEY allowed.

Well done on celebrating liebor and their fucking hopelessness you useless fucking tards

For the first time EVER checks and controls were installed in the retrofitting of insulation industry

For the first time ever, checks and controls were necessary because of the cowboys and rorting that liebor attracts

Streets and suburbs were submitted to this massive rort that didn't even have insulation put in. This is the sort of business that liebor attract- crooks and theives

Quite true
I'm surrpised that anyone could try and justify the ALP's disasterous insulation program especially as that led to the deaths of four people.
The only good aspect was that the insulation program was disbanded, which meant that the second aspect of that disasterous program was that no more rorting would occur.

[Jovial Monk]

IQ is just another Lib fanboi who takes his thoughts from the front page of the Australian.

IQ said he has a B.Eng. which I really find hard to believe when he comes out with such drivel. I believe IQ wanted to graduate in engineering but it proved too difficult for him.

The plain fact of the matter is that deaths and housefires due to the HIP are way below what deaths and fires would have been if those 1.2m households had been retrofitted the same way as happened in the 10-15 years preceding the HIP. As I said, IQ is no engineer, can’t accept the HIP insulated 1.2m existing homes and the deaths happened in one year not the 10 or 15 years it would have taken to insulate those homes in the normal way when way more than 4 people would have died.