climate change and how the left has been misleading public

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Some experts point out that natural cycles in Earth's orbit can alter the planet's exposure to sunlight, which may explain the current trend. Earth has indeed experienced warming and cooling cycles roughly every hundred thousand years due to these orbital shifts, but such changes have occurred over the span of several centuries. Today's changes have taken place over the past hundred years or less.

I think it is important to quote the source of your posts. Clearly some are less credible than others. I will just talk to to this one point.

The left'ards clearly are not raising unreasonable concerns in their call for action on a global scale. Scientist are alway cautous when make conclusions when the evidence is complicated and not easy to understand. The statement that the warming is caused by the sun or our orbit is clearly BS. Sudden changes like we are experiencing is not the result of this.

It is the result of humand activity and needs to be addressed by human action. We will have to face it soon. Typically we will leave it to late which will result in devistation.

We just like bacteria. We consume all our resources. Shit in our own environment until we have consumed everthing. Multiply as fast as we can. Then die in our shit. Unlike bacteria, some escape into the wider environment, we are still stuck on this rock and need to look after our petree dish because it is the only one we have to eat and shit in.

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Some experts point out that natural cycles in Earth's orbit can alter the planet's exposure to sunlight, which may explain the current trend. Earth has indeed experienced warming and cooling cycles roughly every hundred thousand years due to these orbital shifts, but such changes have occurred over the span of several centuries. Today's changes have taken place over the past hundred years or less.

We can quote so called experts all day till the cows come home, but untill they can explain why we suddenly had global warming from the 10th to the 14th century and a mini ice age straight after,they the experts can quote all day.Why is the earth shrinking and causing the teutonic plates to shift causing volcanic activity is it warming or cooling.These so called experts predicted that the year 2000 the whole worlds banking sector would collapse because of the y2k bug.The power system would collapse,we are still here.The whole world is bitterly divided over these so called experts and there data.The age old adage is you never have a inquiry until you know the answer goes well here because many enquiries have been held with differing outcomes.Data can be made to read anything and it has.A small shift in the earths rotation can have a devastating effect.What causes that,the increased sunspots?,no one knows.When we had the last big ice age was it a meteorite hitting earth,yes but was it other effects as well.Are we going to keep the cows in large barns so that their emmissions dont contamminate the atmosphere.Did they the dinosaurs put themselves to bed in big barns to stop their emmissions.I think not.The economies of the world must come first before any leftards idea of global warming and undemocratic world govenments because without that we will have more mass starvation than any global waming ideas will ever cause.

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Some experts point out that natural cycles in Earth's orbit can alter the planet's exposure to sunlight, which may explain the current trend. Earth has indeed experienced warming and cooling cycles roughly every hundred thousand years due to these orbital shifts, but such changes have occurred over the span of several centuries. Today's changes have taken place over the past hundred years or less.

We can quote so called experts all day till the cows come home, but untill they can explain why we suddenly had global warming from the 10th to the 14th century and a mini ice age straight after,they the experts can quote all day.Why is the earth shrinking and causing the teutonic plates to shift causing volcanic activity is it warming or cooling.These so called experts predicted that the year 2000 the whole worlds banking sector would collapse because of the y2k bug.The power system would collapse,we are still here.The whole world is bitterly divided over these so called experts and there data.The age old adage is you never have a inquiry until you know the answer goes well here because many enquiries have been held with differing outcomes.Data can be made to read anything and it has.A small shift in the earths rotation can have a devastating effect.What causes that,the increased sunspots?,no one knows.When we had the last big ice age was it a meteorite hitting earth,yes but was it other effects as well.Are we going to keep the cows in large barns so that their emmissions dont contamminate the atmosphere.Did they the dinosaurs put themselves to bed in big barns to stop their emmissions.I think not.The economies of the world must come first before any leftards idea of global warming and undemocratic world govenments because without that we will have more mass starvation than any global waming ideas will ever cause.

We can quote so called experts all day till the cows come home

Anti climate warming experts are quoted everyday by the extreme right. There appears to be experts on boths sides.

These so called experts predicted that the year 2000 the whole worlds banking sector would collapse because of the y2k bug.The power system would collapse,we are still here

This is a clasic case that supports my position. The only reason they did not collapse was because ACTION was taken. The threat was real and banks, airlines and all industries took action, spending millions on it to prevent the disaster. It is clear that if nothing was done then these systems would have failed. Embeded computer systems in transport systems would have failed. It would have been as disaster. Now this can apply to the human contribution to climate change. If we take action, we can prevent a disaster or at least reduce our part in an adverse climate change. This is a good example if we all put togther and take action, a disaster can be prevented.

A small shift in the earths rotation can have a devastating effect.What causes that,the increased sunspots?,no one knows.

A small shift has a huge effect. However, the causes are mainly known. The earth has a wobble and this has been modelled and is predicatable now.

The economies of the world must come first before any leftards idea of global warming

This is the problem behind short term thinking. If you place economics first you are thinking short term. The concept of growth before everything else is the same as my bacteria example. Consume everything and shit in our own nests. This can not be sustained and we need a longer term view on how humanity needs to behave to protect the fragile planet we call home.

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http://www.theage.com.au/national/sea-c ... 115i4.html

But despite this abundance of life, the census authors warn that the world's sea creatures are under attack on many fronts.

Overfishing, lost habitat, pollution and invasive species are common threats, while rising water temperature and sea acidification loom as future dangers.

everywhere i read i see scientist speak of the impact of warming.

time to accept that is it real and man made.

[J.W. Frogen]

It will be a cold day during global warming before I call Earth home.

Fuck this shit hole, lets roll onto a planet that has no seasons but summer and beautiful women singing with vital vaginas and no nagging gene.

I know this planet exists.

PLANET OF THE PUSSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dam you bastards, dam you all to hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-a ... arming.htm

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/sh1/the_ ... 2-3_lq.pdf

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http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-a ... arming.htm

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/sh1/the_ ... 2-3_lq.pdf

Barry at 17:14 PM on 30 January, 2008
I question the physics behind the response: a crucial finding was the correlation between solar activity and temperature ended around 1975.......

The assumption is that there is always an energy balance between heat radiated from earth and input from the sun.

Lets say that solar activity remained above this energy balance, one would have to assume that temperature would still increase, until some new energy balance is achieved.

This means that temperature can still increase as long as the input is greater that the output.

basic example: take a pot of water at room temperature, it is in an energy balance, and temperature is constant.
then take that pot and turn the stove on high
the temperature will increase
then turn the elopement down, and the water still warms up. until it reaches an energy balance.

It does not seem reasonable to assume that reduced solar activity always equals reduced temperatures on earth.

Reduce solar activity, that is still more active then in 1900 should then still result in increasing temperature.

Response: If solar activity increases then plateaus, the climate will then be in energy imbalance with more energy coming in than radiating back out to space. The earth will immediately start warming. As it warms, the energy radiated back to space gradually increases until the climate reaches radiative equilibrium. Then warming stops. This period it takes to reach equilibrium is refered to as climate time lag.

However, this is not what is observed over the 20th century. Solar activity levels out in the 1950's. However, the modern global warming trend began in the mid 1970s. If the sun was the cause of global warming, the planet would've been at its highest energy imbalance in the 1950s. Then the planet would gradually have approached equilibrium over the next few decades.

The opposite has occured. The energy imbalance has in fact increased over the past 3 decades and is still increasing. Of course, we now know why the planet is in radiative imbalance - due to an enhanced greenhouse effect caused by increasing greenhouse gases such as CO2 and methane.

Higherbeam,

Great site and thankyou for providing it. If you read carefully the above response by the sites editors (in response, in bold)confirms my view that CO2 in the last part of the last century is responsible for the warming of the earth. Solar activity levels out in the 1950s. Warming trend began in 1970s.

The energy imbalance has in fact increased over the past 3 decades and is still increasing. Of course, we now know why the planet is in radiative imbalance - due to an enhanced greenhouse effect caused by increasing greenhouse gases such as CO2 and methane

Sums it up. In comclusion, your point that this concern is leftist extremism (para-phase) is invalid, not supported by the majority of crediable evidence and is wrong. It is science fact. We need to all agree on it and do something for the long term interest of humanity, while balancing growth and the ecconomic institutions of today. I say "JFDI" on taking action on climate change.

Cheers,
SN

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HB,

I have enjoyed this so far.

Do you want to swap sides?

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Tommorrow I will have your side