Petrol excise vs road tax

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Re: Petrol excise vs road tax

Post by Rorschach » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:57 pm

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Is it fair that someone who has to travel and hour in regional Australia or more have to pay more for that necessity than those in big cities that have to travel 15 minutes or less, on top of what they already pay for petrol and considering petrol in the regions is also more expensive than that of cities also?
Of course it is fair, because you do not 'have' to.

Of course its not fair and of course not everyone can live in the cities... one would think you would be bright enough to reason that out by yourself.

You are responsible for your own choices. It is actually far easier for someone living in a regional area to living within walking distance or a very short drive from work.

hahahahaha actually no its not.

I understand that personal circumstances may preclude this, or at least appear to, but the true cost of all that extra driving should be part of those circumstances, otherwise the govenment is subsidising unsustainable lifestyle choices.

Regional people already pay extra for petrol, you aren't listening. They also have less choice of employment, less infrastructure and amenities. that isn't by choice.


The only people who truly do not have a choice are those who are in jail. The rest merely think they do not.

Obviously you are a city dweller then.
Oh and another point.... less traffic in the regions than in the cities... less wear and tear then eh...


Yes, and the government will get far less tax money on account of the lower traffic. If anything regional users should be paying more.

Talk about arse about... you don't charge people more for less sonny boy.
As most of the toll roads are privately owned in NSW, we will never see an end to tolls here. Motorists who have to travel a long distance will be hit with every tax imaginable.
The vast majority of motorists completely avoid tolls in their daily travels.

Actually some cannot... it isn't practicable.
The average person doesn't always have a choice as to where they can live unfortunately
Yes they do.

No they don't.
What a load of crap... try building another disingenuous strawman why don't you.
It is not a strawman. It is what both you and mantra are arguing. For example
Is it fair that someone who has to travel and hour
The average person doesn't always have a choice as to where they can live
But you are correct that it is BS.
We all can't live at number 11 oxford st Sydney.
We can't all work there either. But those who do work there (by their own choice of course) should rightly be expected to pay the costs associated with getting there from wherever they live (again, by their own choice).

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Re: Petrol excise vs road tax

Post by freediver » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:42 pm

can anyone imagine the money all govts reap just from motorists.. or anyone that uses the roads...it must be massive...
Not as much as they spend on roads. A square meter of bitumen costs a small fortune.
I hate to say it but if they start charging by the road use they will kill this cash cow..
No more so than making people pay for cars and petrol and parking and servicing and tyres stops them driving.
Of course its not fair and of course not everyone can live in the cities... one would think you would be bright enough to reason that out by yourself.


Why is it unfair for you to support your own lifestyle rather than other taxpayers? Is there something more moral about living in a regional area that the government should subsidise it?
hahahahaha actually no its not
Yes it is. You just have to engage your brain.
Regional people already pay extra for petrol, you aren't listening. They also have less choice of employment, less infrastructure and amenities. that isn't by choice.
Yes it is. The only thing that defines regional areas vs cities is where everybody chooses to congregate. If you do not choose the same thing, that is your own responsibility. You always have a choice. You don't have to live in the city, but if you don't, you have to pay the associated costs. City dwellers don't make people in the country chip in for the higher rent and housing costs that they have to pay, so why should people in the city pay for your lifestyle choice?
Talk about arse about... you don't charge people more for less sonny boy.
Duh. They should pay more because it costs more on a per use basis. This may well mean that someone who uses less pays more, but only it it actually costs more.

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Re: Petrol excise vs road tax

Post by Rorschach » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:40 pm

You need to stop proving you are clueless on this FD....
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Re: Petrol excise vs road tax

Post by freediver » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:12 pm

Does your argument extend beyond bleating about how unfair it is to pay your own way?

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Re: Petrol excise vs road tax

Post by Rorschach » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:15 pm

My argument extends to being more realistic and knowledgeable than yours :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Re: Petrol excise vs road tax

Post by IQS.RLOW » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:14 pm

freediver wrote:Does your argument extend beyond bleating about how unfair it is to pay your own way?
Every argument he has ever had doesnt extend further than just bleating, period.
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Re: Petrol excise vs road tax

Post by mantra » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:58 am

freediver wrote:Is there something more moral about living in a regional area that the government should subsidise it?
Fair point, but if a person chooses to live away from an overly congested city - surely they're entitled to some concessions especially when travelling to work. How many years have successive governments been trying to get people to move to country and regional areas and away from the cities? When they do - then they're penalised. I spent years travelling to the city usually by train, but drove at least once a week. There were no tolls, petrol was cheap and the trains were a lot faster. I couldn't do it today - the commute is a nightmare with slow overcrowded trains and major traffic jams on most roads leading to the city.

If our governments had a little foresight - they would have concentrated on implementing a more efficient railway years ago. It's a lot cheaper catching a train than it is driving to Sydney, but a lot of commuters can't rely on the trains. If there was less road traffic - there would be less maintenance needed.

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Re: Petrol excise vs road tax

Post by freediver » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:26 am

Fair point, but if a person chooses to live away from an overly congested city - surely they're entitled to some concessions especially when travelling to work.
They are entitled to cheaper rent, cheaper houses, cheaper land and lots of fresh air. But not a lifestyle subsidy.
How many years have successive governments been trying to get people to move to country and regional areas and away from the cities?
They have always paid lip service to it, because regional people have acquired an unreasonable sense of entitlement, reinforced at every turn by the National Party. They do not actually do anything though.
I spent years travelling to the city usually by train, but drove at least once a week. There were no tolls, petrol was cheap and the trains were a lot faster. I couldn't do it today - the commute is a nightmare with slow overcrowded trains and major traffic jams on most roads leading to the city.


True, more money should be spent reducing congestion in the city rather than paved roads in the bush that no-one uses.

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Re: Petrol excise vs road tax

Post by Rorschach » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:34 am

They are entitled to not being penalised by the government for living in Australia.
They are entitled to proper infrastructure and amenities.
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Re: Petrol excise vs road tax

Post by freediver » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:25 pm

So if I choose to live in the middle of nowhere, I am 'entitled' to water, sewerage and electricity to my front gate, a nice bitumen road, and a school nearby? How about a bus service and a train station also?

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