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Re: Grow a pair Mal - Sack Brandis

Post by Aussie » Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:32 pm

IQS.RLOW wrote:He does answer to the AG, which is why he had to go.
He ignored a directive.
He did have to go
Glad you agree.
That's exactly what Brandis thought. Brandis was elected. Gleeson was appointed by the GG as a statutory appointee. He could have sat where he was for another 14 (or so) months on his $730,000.00 pa, done nothing other than to throw darts at an image of Brandis on his office wall. He acted honourably and broke the impasse. Brandis destroyed any workable basis. He lied that he 'consulted' with the SG. That is indelible history. Will Turnbull cut him adrift and show leadership?

The 'directive' was one Brandis was not bindingly able to make, and Gleeson gave him the forks. That Senate Committee is that sword over the head of Brandis.

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Re: Grow a pair Mal - Sack Brandis

Post by IQS.RLOW » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:11 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: All Brandis has done is cleaned the office of yet another Labor turd.

Good riddance to just one of the many lawyers who have an incestuous relationship with the ALP. Filthy grubs just love to stick together.
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Re: Grow a pair Mal - Sack Brandis

Post by mantra » Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:40 am

skippy wrote:This government to is already falling apart.
How long before Abbott is PM again?
Not too long by the look of it. Abbott has already started moving in for the kill.

Yes Brandis is at the top of the hierachy, but he's also making sure that his own position is protected. No-one will be able to make a move against him or take action about a cause that he doesn't approve of. He appears to be protecting his own interests. That isn't a good look in a democracy.

If Gleeson is being paid more than the PM - then it's obvious that he holds a responsible job where he's paid to make independent decisions. Good on him for having the integrity to resign. Brandis wants a puppet - not someone who can actually do the job he/she's paid to do. He obviously thinks the voting public are too stupid to see this.

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Re: Grow a pair Mal - Sack Brandis

Post by Rorschach » Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:52 am

I don't think you really understand this issue at all mantra.

There are comments from legal people who do not agree with Gleesons actions or his opinion on his duties.

Brandis is no safer than other Ministers and he is entitled to seek counsel elsewhere if he wishes and to direct the SG if he sees fit.
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Re: Grow a pair Mal - Sack Brandis

Post by Neferti » Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:18 am

skippy wrote:This government to is already falling apart.
How long before Abbott is PM again?
I read somewhere that Christian Porter, the bloke from WA, will be a "future" Liberal PM. Malcolm is too old and shouldn't be there in the first place. He was a failure before when he was Leader, and is a failure still. Tony won't be back.

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Re: Grow a pair Mal - Sack Brandis

Post by Rorschach » Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:30 am

Neferti~ wrote:
skippy wrote:This government to is already falling apart.
How long before Abbott is PM again?
I read somewhere that Christian Porter, the bloke from WA, will be a "future" Liberal PM. Malcolm is too old and shouldn't be there in the first place. He was a failure before when he was Leader, and is a failure still. Tony won't be back.
Not that this is topic related Nef.... but Porter has no empathy and is clueless. Won't be my choice. In fact most of them are getting as bad as the ALP, ideological "warriors". Time for some common-sense and reality checks for all.
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Re: Grow a pair Mal - Sack Brandis

Post by Redneck » Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:34 am

Gleeson saga will have 'chilling effect' on public service, says former bureaucrat

Solicitor general’s treatment suggests department heads will tell ministers what they want, rather than need, to hear, says Paul Barrett

The recent treatment of public servants reflects a change in the culture whereby department heads will tell ministers what they want to hear rather than what they need to hear, according to a senior bureaucrat sacked by the Howard government.

Paul Barratt, who was a senior public servant and head of the departments of defence and primary industry, said the treatment of the solicitor general, Justin Gleeson; the former secretary of the agriculture department Paul Grimes; and the human rights commissioner, Gillian Triggs, would have a chilling effect on the public service.

“You start to get a general atmosphere of secretaries giving more cautious advice,” Barratt told Guardian Australia.
Solicitor general Justin Gleeson resigns over 'broken' relationship with George Brandis
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“The next evolution is that department heads tend to tell the minister what the minister wants to hear, rather than what they need to hear.

“That will have a chilling effect on the public service. If you are a senior public servant, however right you are, it’s no fun to be out there and seeing what people are saying about you every day in the newspapers.”

Barratt was sacked as the secretary of the defence department under the Howard government. He challenged the decision in the federal court.

The court found that while a secretary terminated in that way had a right to a hearing, it was sufficient for the minister to say that he or she had lost confidence in the department head.

Gleeson – a statutory officer – resigned on Monday, citing that his relationship with the attorney general, George Brandis, was irretrievably broken. The dispute arose after Brandis issued a legal directive which would force all government departments to seek approval from Brandis before receiving advice from the solicitor general.
Hansard saga broke confidence between Joyce and sacked staffer Paul Grimes
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Brandis told the Senate he consulted Gleeson but Gleeson disputed that. Labor has accused Brandis of misleading the parliament and is seeking to disallow the legal directive.

Last year Grimes, a longstanding and respected public servant, was sacked following a dispute with his minister, Barnaby Joyce. The dispute related to a change in the parliamentary Hansard record.

After a year of fighting a freedom-of-information request from Labor and the Herald Sun, the government released a letter from Grimes to Joyce showing the departmental head had no intention of resigning.

Just days before he was sacked, Grimes wrote to Joyce, saying “I no longer have confidence in my capacity to resolve matters relating to integrity with you”.

Grimes’s letter was released at the same time as the government released the news of Gleeson’s resignation.

John Uhr, director of the Centre for the Study of Australian Politics, said historically, clashes between ministers and senior public servants would have been dealt with by the Australian Public Service Commission or the head of the prime minister’s department, now Martin Parkinson.

Parkinson himself was sacked when Tony Abbott won office in 2013. His departure followed the sackings of three other heads of departments, including the head of industry, Don Russell, a former ambassador to Washington and adviser to former prime minister Paul Keating; the head of resources, Blair Comley, who oversaw Labor’s carbon pricing scheme; and Andrew Metcalfe, head of agriculture.
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Parkinson was reappointed to his current position by Turnbull, who promised to restore traditional cabinet government and respect the public service when he ousted ​Abbott.

Weeks after he took over as prime minister, Turnbull said: “What we have to do in government in my view is stop panning public servants and do more to ensure that they do their job better.”

On Tuesday, Turnbull said: “We value immensely the very frank advice we get from the Australian Public Service.”

Uhr said in the past, departmental heads would have been moved on to other departments but in more recent times, when the situation became “too hot”, the “rule of the boss means the boss wins”.

“In recent years these things have become more politically awkward,” Uhr said.

“The Senate has never adopted code of conduct for its own behaviour. In the absence of code of conduct or an integrity commissioner, who can investigate and report back, there is really no impartial parliamentary body to turn to.”

Labor’s Joel Fitzgibbon has called on Turnbull to restore Grimes, given Joyce “threw his staff under the bus” on the Hansard dispute.

“It is pretty clear these days anyone who disagrees with this government, any professional public servant who gives frank and fair advice to this government, faces termination,” Fitzgibbon said.

“Once upon a time, misleading the house was considered a serious offence. When it ceases to become a serious offence, then our democracy and our parliamentary system is undermined.”

A spokeswoman for Joyce said the Grimes matter was not a “direct insight” into his relationship between the minister and his department. She said Joyce had a “good working relationship” with the current secretary, Daryl Quinlivan.

“Since the events of early 2015, Mr Quinlivan has returned to the department, where he previously worked for 11 years, in an expanded role,” the spokeswoman said.

“This letter is not a direct insight into the working relationships of the department and the deputy prime minister, and has not been for more than 17 months.”

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Re: Grow a pair Mal - Sack Brandis

Post by Rorschach » Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:04 am

Oh The Guardian.... :du someone should tell them that most department heads tell them what they want to hear all the time anyway, it's how they keep their jobs, same as in private enterprise... surprise surprise. :rofl :rofl :rofl
The Gleeson affair was about a person who thought he was unanswerable to his superior, and to the government that employed him.... if you like Red you can change the word employ to "use" if you like :rofl :rofl :rofl
It was about someone with political leanings that were not aligned with the government of the day.
It was about someone who refused to take direction and whose only real recourse after chucking a tanty was to resign. :du
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Re: Grow a pair Mal - Sack Brandis

Post by Aussie » Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:19 am

Rorschach wrote:Oh The Guardian.... :du someone should tell them that most department heads tell them what they want to hear all the time anyway, it's how they keep their jobs, same as in private enterprise... surprise surprise. :rofl :rofl :rofl
The Gleeson affair was about a person who thought he was unanswerable to his superior, and to the government that employed him.... if you like Red you can change the word employ to "use" if you like :rofl :rofl :rofl
It was about someone with political leanings that were not aligned with the government of the day.
It was about someone who refused to take direction and whose only real recourse after chucking a tanty was to resign. :du
Can you clarify how you know what HODs 'tell Ministers?' Gleeson was never answerable to the AG. He was answerable to Parliament and the GG. How do you know what his political bent is? Why make up lies about him. Why the personal smear on him, Roach?

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Re: Grow a pair Mal - Sack Brandis

Post by IQS.RLOW » Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:25 am

Why are you picking on Aussie's lover?

He won't hear a bad word said about any ALP whiteant.
He's one himself.
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