Polls and Preferences

[mantra]

I love this “Labor fucking the country” shit from Lib fanbois. 3xAAA, low unemployment, interest and inflation does not sound like the country is “fucked.”

Gillard was starting to make some positive progress in regard to the budget until Rudd came along. This PNG solution is resonating a bit and it's going to be very costly.

If Rudd doesn't win - will Abbott change it to yet another solution? How much will his solution cost? Have PNG already been paid in advance?

[Jovial_Monk]

Gillard has made a lot of progress! I LOVE the Plain Packaging laws—less of my great nieces/nephews will take up the brutish habit! Rudd will probably win the election—without my help or vote—but need to be removed 12 months down the track: the alternative would be to have him out the country a lot and not to undertake big projects, then he might last 3 years and retire (hopefully then retire.)

Rudd will win because of the policy work Gillard did and because the LNP have done zero policy work.

[mantra]

Gillard has made a lot of progress! I LOVE the Plain Packaging laws—less of my great nieces/nephews will take up the brutish habit! Rudd will probably win the election—without my help or vote—but need to be removed 12 months down the track: the alternative would be to have him out the country a lot and not to undertake big projects, then he might last 3 years and retire (hopefully then retire.)

Rudd will win because of the policy work Gillard did and because the LNP have done zero policy work.

Gillard did manage to squeeze a lot of policies in during her short tenure. She needed another term. I'm not sure Rudd will get back in, but at least the Coalition will have a decently sized opposition if they win.

[kevin457]

I love this “Labor fucking the country” shit from Lib fanbois. 3xAAA, low unemployment, interest and inflation does not sound like the country is “fucked.”

I'm going to call you on this Monk....


Take a look at this Roy Morgan -vrs- ABS unemployment figures comparison chart...never before have they contrasted as dramatically under this fraudulent dishonest figure distorting Labor government.

http://www.roymorgan.com/morganpoll/une ... -estimates

Why do you suppose this is Monk?

Are you saying Roy Morgan are out to get the Labor government?

If so.... this contrasts greatly to how you argue in their defence elsewhere Monk.

Make up your mind, are Roy Morgan credible or not, and why is it that under this Labor government their unemployment figures contrast dramatically to that being published by the ABS?

[kevin457]

Reality bites, yes?

Oh and you might want to check their interest and inflation figures, and see how these stack-up next to those being published by our ABS also.

[Jovial_Monk]

The same thing would have been true under Howard. The figure used is used worldwide. I reckon the number of people receiving the dole should also be given.

Jobs situ could be better—but austerity would drop us into recession just like the Tories did in the UK.

Now is the time to borrow to build infrastructure: the NBN, roads, rail, ports, a second Sydney airport etc. Hell, even build the white elephant of fast rail Brisbane–Sydney–Canberra-Melbourne. Spend, build infrastructure, keep people employed.

[kevin457]

The same thing would have been true under Howard. The figure used is used worldwide. I reckon the number of people receiving the dole should also be given.

Jobs situ could be better—but austerity would drop us into recession just like the Tories did in the UK.

Now is the time to borrow to build infrastructure: the NBN, roads, rail, ports, a second Sydney airport etc. Hell, even build the white elephant of fast rail Brisbane–Sydney–Canberra-Melbourne. Spend, build infrastructure, keep people employed.

No, like I said, never before have the unemployment figures from RoyMorgan contrasted as greatly from the ABS's figures, as they are now.

Even under Howard, the comparison figures sporadically deviated 2% at most... but under Labor, it's just astounding, we are talking about a consistent difference of about 5%.

Why?

[Jovial_Monk]

I don’t know, why not ask Mr Morgan?

[mantra]

No, like I said, never before have the unemployment figures from RoyMorgan contrasted as greatly from the ABS's figures, as they are now.

Even under Howard, the comparison figures sporadically deviated 2% at most... but under Labor, it's just astounding, we are talking about a consistent difference of about 5%.

Why?

I agree with Monk on this. The employment figures have always been dodgy. If they look higher now it's because under Howard - one hour of employment a week was used in the employment statistics whereas under the government - 3 hours are taken into consideration instead. Not much of an improvement, but an improvement nonetheless.

[kevin457]

No, like I said, never before have the unemployment figures from RoyMorgan contrasted as greatly from the ABS's figures, as they are now.

Even under Howard, the comparison figures sporadically deviated 2% at most... but under Labor, it's just astounding, we are talking about a consistent difference of about 5%.

Why?

I agree with Monk on this. The employment figures have always been dodgy. If they look higher now it's because under Howard - one hour of employment a week was used in the employment statistics whereas under the government - 3 hours are taken into consideration instead. Not much of an improvement, but an improvement nonetheless.

Mantra, do you have a link to back up your claim that under a Howard government one hour of work constituted for full time employment?

Note, the new changes to the ABS's Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander figures unemployment figures, my how they have improved since....

Since.......

NOTES RELATING TO JULY ISSUE

See page 5 of the PDF for details on changes to remote Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Community enumeration from July 2013.

Furthermore, I do not recall any correction of the Howard Governments alleged rubbery figures when the Rudd-Gillard Government came to power in 2007.. if they were wrong, then why didn't they say something then?

Now, lets rewind the tape... Paul Keating was Prime Minister from 20 December 1991 until 11 March 1996..... I guess, it will be interesting to see how these recent ABS Labor funded figures compare to an incoming Liberal governments figures should they win the election.

Sorry, but never before have Roy Morgans figures contrasted so greatly to those being published by the ABS.

And if as you say, Howards were contrived also, then why didnt Labor address this when they had the chance?

I think it's clear.... all governments bend the figures to suit themselves, but my argument is that never before have they bent them so dramatically.