Tony Abbott - an economic simpleton

[freediver]

The supposed problem is global... there are no boundaries fd. Surely you know this.

I guess I need to repeat myself. Both major parties have identical emissions reduction targets (for Australia) that are linked to global agreements. This is entirely separate from the mechanism used locally to reduce emissions.

Why is that so hard to understand? Judging an entirely local policy on it's global impact is just stupid, like Abbott's support base.

I don't care for it at all. It is economic vandalism of the highest order and will be gone in a massive mandate come Sept.

Abbott's plan is to replace it with a far more expensive and wasteful mechanism. Not caring equates to hypocrisy.

The carbon tax is currently set in the mid-high $20 mark which is way above the market, so tell me FD, what are the projections for Australia's emissions by 2015?

Why are they up and not down according to your 'brilliant' economic theory?

By up, do you mean the 8.6% decrease in the first 6 months? Is this what you mean by the tax not affecting emissions? You don't need a degree for this IQ. You just need to think before parroting Abbott propaganda.

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Emissions drop signals fall in carbon tax take

CARBON emissions from the electricity sector have dived in the first six months under the carbon tax, with much greater use of renewable energy and cutbacks in consumption.

[IQS.RLOW]

Correlation does not equal causation. I thought even a slow witted TAFE graduate could understand that.

[Rorschach]

Ever wonder why if CO2 was the cause, that temp hasn't gone up in proportion with and at the same time as the emissions have?

[freediver]

Correlation does not equal causation. I thought even a slow witted TAFE graduate could understand that.

IQ you are the one who suggested emissions had gone up and not down and that this needed explaining.

Do you still think that a carbon tax does not affect emissions? Is this the sort of belief you need to be an Abbott supporter?

[Rorschach]

You need to stop the "Abbott supporter" crap because you're making yourself sound like a moron.

So how about less pointless ad hom and more answers...

those questions are piling up like the carbon emissions whilst the temps have stopped rising.
please dont deny it there are more than enough reliable sources to back that up.

[IQS.RLOW]

Correlation does not equal causation. I thought even a slow witted TAFE graduate could understand that.

IQ you are the one who suggested emissions had gone up and not down and that this needed explaining.

Do you still think that a carbon tax does not affect emissions? Is this the sort of belief you need to be an Abbott supporter?

Why do you need to be so disingenuous? I suggested that forecasts for emissions are for them to rise with the carbon tax. It was you that tried pulling a single figure out as justification.

Do you accept the fact that the science is now saying CO2 may not be the driving factor? Or doesn't the science matter anymore?

[freediver]

So what are these forecasts? Are there any predictions of what emissions would have been with and without the tax, or is that concept too subtle for an Abbott supporter?

[IQS.RLOW]

So what are these forecasts? Are there any predictions of what emissions would have been with and without the tax, or is that concept too subtle for an Abbott supporter?

Weren't you just saying that the targets are the same for both party's?

The difference is that the coalitions policy is capped and can be easily phased out and wound down- so despite your cheapest method bullshit rhetoric, in this case the coalitions policy will be far cheaper...and no tax or ETS.

I hope you have another pet project to go on with after Sept or you are going to be one frustrated little cookie

[freediver]

Can you tell the difference between a forecast and a target? Or is that not a pre-requisite for being an Abbott supporter.

Did you make it up IQ?

[Rorschach]

So what are these forecasts? Are there any predictions of what emissions would have been with and without the tax, or is that concept too subtle for an Abbott supporter?

Oh wait I already asked you for specifics on that so far you've declined to answer.