Tony Abbott - an economic simpleton

[mantra]

Simple question for you IQ. Does altering the price of CO2 emissions alter the amount of CO2 emissions?

Don't expect an informed answer from those who are batting for Abbott. Unfortunately they don't have a clue why they're voting for him and haven't got the ability to see that the average Australian is making an effort to reduce their electricity waste. My bills have barely moved since the tax was introduced and that's been achieved by ensuring that all electrical items are turned off and unplugged when not in use.

Many appliances still use power when turned off, but not unplugged.

The electricity consumed by electrical appliances while they are turned off depends on the electrical appliance. The range of electricity used by these electricity leaking appliances are anywhere from 1 watt to 50 watts of electricity! Now 1 watt doesn’t sound like a lot, which it isn’t, but when you have 20+ electrical appliances in your home using just 1 watt of power, that’s 20 watts being used!

A single cellphone charger will consume 1 watt while plugged into the wall, even without a phone plugged into it! The same cellphone charger will also consume 4.5 watts of electricity with a cellphone plugged into it that is already fully charged! The same cellphone charger will consume 8 watts of power while charging a cellphone.

A stand-alone DVR set top box will consume 48.5 watts of power while turned off. A digital cable DVR set top box will consume 43.5 watts of electricity while turned off, while a digital cable box without DVR will consume 33 watts of electricity. A satellite set top box with or without DVR will consume 33.5 watts of power while turned off.

Almost everyone has a TV in their home, so how much electricity do TVs consume while turned off? Rear projection TV will consume 48.5 watts of electricity while it is turned off! A standard CRT TV will consume 13 watts while turned off.

Most of you will have a mini stereo system, one of those with speakers, CD player, AM/FM radio, etc all built into one unit. They will consume 24.5 watts of power while turned off! I’m sure most of you have one of these in your bedroom, living room, or kids bedroom.

A home theatre audio receiver that most of you will have hooked up to your TV in your living room will consume 19.5 watts of electricity while it is turned off.

So with just the few things I’ve mentioned here, that’s a total of $127.69/year just for electrical devices turned off for 16 hours every day. Most of you probably have more than 1 of each of those items in your home that are turned off, but still plugged in consuming power.

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[freediver]

Simple question for fd does taxing Australians alter the temperature?

Sure, if you do it right.

[Rorschach]

Well you'll have to expand on that. Australians have been paying tax for centuries.

By how much does this new tax alter the temperature then?

[freediver]

It really quite simple. You tax GHG emissions. The price goes up. People buy less emissions intensive products. Emissions go down, which affects temperature.

Is this really the sort of question you want to ask in a thread about Tony Abbott being an economic simpleton?

[Rorschach]

It really quite simple. You tax GHG emissions. The price goes up. People buy less emissions intensive products. Emissions go down, which affects temperature.

Is this really the sort of question you want to ask in a thread about Tony Abbott being an economic simpleton?

Well we could rename it FD- Simpleton if you like.

So how much has the temperature gone down since the tax was introduced fd?

[IQS.RLOW]

It really quite simple. You tax GHG emissions. The price goes up. People buy less emissions intensive products. Emissions go down, which affects temperature.

Is this really the sort of question you want to ask in a thread about Tony Abbott being an economic simpleton?

How can people buy less emission intensive products if there is no alternative source? Just suck it up because you like a tax that does nothing?

[freediver]

Rorschach, if temperatures went down because one small country made minor changes it wouldn't really be a problem, would it? Would you say that your questions are representative of the simple minded approach that Abbott's supporters take?

How can people buy less emission intensive products if there is no alternative source? Just suck it up because you like a tax that does nothing?

IQ, there are thousands of ways to reduce emissions. A tax enables the cheapest of them, without the need for direct government intervention. Do you honestly think the tax has no impact on our emissions?

[Rorschach]

My questions too simple for you?
I was trying to aim them at your mentality.

You know taxing people will save the planet...

I gather then that you simply cannot answer the question.

[IQS.RLOW]

The economic damage it does has more effect than the tax itself.

Doesn't matter in any case. It's a dud tax and will be tossed.
Good riddance. Suck it up and move on.

[freediver]

Doesn't matter in any case.

You don't care whether it is the cheapest way to reduce emissions?