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[Jovial_Monk]

It is under 1% of one year of total govt expenditure spread over 10 years, under 0.1% of total govt expenditure a year for 10 years.

You did raise CAPEX by complaining of the cost of the last mile of fibre, you carefully forgot to mention OPEX. We don’t just build the damn things, we use them, run them and once you factor in running costs, OPEX, FTTH wins outright.

White elephant? Crap! Most people opt for the top speed band and the takeup rate is far higher than the take up rate was for ADSL.

Please—a new invention? Code talk for wireless, weather affected, congested wireless. Next major invention, quantum computing will need the NBN for communicating with other quantum computers, fibre being an excellent wave guide of the kind quantum computers will need.

[IQS.RLOW]

I see Monk is still unable to give any practical examples of what app the average home user is going to use all that extravagant and expansive speed for...

Wasteful fucking numpty.

[Jovial_Monk]

SN bleated:

I am afraid that once NBN is adopted and everyone used it to download their porn movies on demand that extra costs will be required to keep the network working as promised.

Oh dear, bit of a give away there! Typical Lib fanbois crap. The NBN will only be used to download porn, oh dear.

When it needs more bandwidth, speed, the electronics at each end need to be changed, is all. 1Gbps will be the maximum speed by the end of the year with the other ranges moving up.

TVIP will be a major use, business, education, health will all be major uses, video phone calls will allow families to keep in touch, much better than the Facebook and email they use now, the Internet of Things is the next big thing, stuff like smart metres, smart control of electrical power all being mooted now.

Come back when you have a clue, SN!

[IQS.RLOW]

Business, education and health already have high speed pipes where they are needed. The home user does not need the speed or bandwidth. Smart meters etc require bytes of data and not speed or bandwidth.

Wasteful, technically illiterate fucking numpty.

[Super Nova]

Come back when you have a clue, SN!

I'm back already with that as the caveat to be back.

Bla bla bla is all I hear from you.

Let's discuss total cost of ownership then. CAPEX and OPEX for the full life cycle shall we.

The full lifecycle of this white elephant is unknown. It is a monopoly. Monopolies are a bad thing. No competition except at the edges. Single technology direction set now for a bloody long time. Government funded forever.

Fuck... when will you learn.

The last mile can be covered in smaller populations with wireless and with enough bandwidth that you would never notice. Congestion/contention is controlled by the number of user a once. I still say the last mile, except in cities centres could be done much cheaper. Argue away Monk, you don't care to listen because like all issues you can not consider other options. ALP all the way even if that way is down down down.

NBN is a big bet.

BTW, when are you getting NBN? I am very interested to learn more when you have it. How much you pay more than you are now. How much of this bandwidth you use.

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Business, education and health already have high speed pipes where they are needed. The home user does not need the speed or bandwidth. Smart meters etc require bytes of data and not speed or bandwidth.

Wasteful, :

Spot on.

[Super Nova]

ps: most smart metering in the world is using GSM or signals carried across the electoral wires... not broadband.

[Super Nova]

It is to laugh...

[Super Nova]

I world without wireless is just a big hole in the ground.

[Jovial_Monk]

More meaningless crap, more love of wireless because that isn’t an ALp initiative.

It is not a white elephant if people want it, nearly 70% say they do, most of the other 30% probably want it too but said they don’t because they are pathetic Lib fanbois.

I never said I don’t want wireless bb, just do not want it as only way of accessing the web thankyouverymuch! Deepshit used to crap on about wireless all the time too, but he made sure he was on ADSL, not wireless. You remind me of Deepshit in this, SN.

[Jovial_Monk]

Smart metering doesn’t use bb because most broadband is crap, will use the NBN, regardless of bandwidth, because it is a clean, ubiquitous feed.

And again, you miss the point of high speed, symmetrical FTTH: it is fine big business in the capitals can use Telstra fibre in big pipes but what about their shops and offices in the suburbs? Hospitals might have big pipes but their patients don’t! High speed, symmetrical FTTH allows patients to talk to their surgeons in high def video which is why increasingly frail ’Boomers can stay in their own home.

The opportunity cost is just huge for eHealth! ’Boomers are going to be a big overhang over the rest of the population, if they had to be in hospital or nursing home just try and calculate the cost of building, staffing and running all these hospitals/nursing homes. If you want to crap on about diagnoses won’t be done over the NBN they already are in places like Korea (moving to 2Gbps on their FTTH, funny they don’t think it is a white elephant!) and I see it more as follow up consultations/monitoring that can easily be done over the NBN: pulse, blood pressure, ECG, blood sugar, weight etc can be measured and the measurements forwarded reliably (ubiquitous, redundant) over fibre.

No wonder then that the FTTN rollout in Britain is in trouble, too slow, too unreliable and people want FTTH! Ditto NZ! In the US Verizon and Google running out FTTH, can AT&T be far behind? Turncoat has invested in the French and Spanish FTTH rollouts. Hello, FTTH is what people want!