Gay marriage conscience vote

[mellie]

Why not take it to referendum and permit all Australians their conscience vote?


Because they know they'd lose. Likewise with their carbon-tax.

An overwhelming majority of Australians oppose gay marriage.

I doubt it would lose considering EVERY poll taken says the OVERWHELMING majority of Australians support it.

Polls such as.....

And because the polls are never wrong/biased now are they.

Really, it depends on a variety of determinants, to start with ...who other than those overwhelmingly in favour of it would be inclined to put forth their genuine heartfelt opinions online, particularly when those few who dare to oppose it 'publicly' are tagged homophobes, red-necks, regressive and out-of-touch?

Eg,who in a 'green-left'/union dominated workplace would dare disclose their heartfelt views?

These surveys aren't unlike the postal-vote system, subject to a margin of error for a variety of reasons and our government knows this which is why they wont take it to a referendum, and allow all Australians their conscience vote because they know fine well if they did, the contrast would render their cause/policy pointless.

[mellie]

Poll interpretation is subjective in itself, no?

[skippy]

Poll interpretation is subjective in itself, no?

Not when they all say the same thing,idiot.

[mellie]

Poll interpretation is subjective in itself, no?

Not when they all say the same thing,idiot.

Polls such as Skippy?

Put your money where your mouth is and place the poll findings here.

I'll bet you dont.

[mellie]

This is quite a jump since 2004...uncanny, yes?

Public opinion polls
In June 2004, a survey conducted by Newspoll showed that 38% of respondents supported same-sex marriage, with 44% opposed and 18% undecided.
In June 2007, a Galaxy Poll conducted for advocacy group GetUp! measured the opinions of 1,100 Australians aged 16 and over.[101]
57% of respondents supported same-sex marriage with 37% opposed and 6% undecided. [101]
71% of respondents supported same-sex couples having the same legal entitlements as opposite-sex de facto couples.[102]
In June 2009, a Galaxy Poll commissioned by Australian Marriage Equality measured the opinions of 1,100 Australians aged 16 and over. [103]
60% of respondents supported the recognition of same-sex marriage, with 36% opposed and 4% undecided. Support was highest amongst those respondents who were intending to vote for the Australian Greens (82%) and who were aged 16-24 (74%). The majority of respondents from each state and each age bracket (except for the 50 and above category with 45% of respondents) were in support.[103]
58% of respondents supported the recognition of foreign same-sex marriages in Australia, with 36% opposed and 5% undecided. Support was highest amongst those respondents who were intending to vote for the Australian Greens (74%) and who were aged 16-24 (73%). The majority of respondents from each state and each age bracket (except for the 50 and over category with 43% of respondents) were in support.[103]
In October 2010, a Galaxy Poll commissioned by Australian Marriage Equality measured the opinions of 1,050 Australians aged 18 and over. [104]
62% of respondents supported the recognition of same-sex marriage, with 33% opposed and 5% undecided. Support was highest amongst respondents who were intending to vote for the Australian Greens (81%), and who were aged 18-24 (80%). The majority of respondents from each state and each age bracket (except for the 50 and over category with 46% of respondents) were in support. [104]
78% of respondents supported a conscience vote on the recognition of same-sex marriage, with 16% opposed and 6% undecided. Support was highest amongst those respondents aged 18-24 (84%), and who lived in South Australia (83%). The majority of respondents from each state and each age bracket were in support. [104]
In March 2011, an Essential Media Poll suggested that support for same-sex marriage had fallen below 50% and opposition was up by 4%. [104]
In July 2011 a survey of 543 people conducted by Roy Morgan measured the support for a number of positions on marriage. [104]
68% of Australians support same-sex marriage
78% classify marriage as a ‘necessary’ institution, with only 22% opposing
In a late November 2011 Galaxy poll of over 1000 voters, 80 percent wanted Tony Abbott to allow the Liberal/National Coalition to participate in Labor's same-sex marriage conscience vote, and that 76 percent of Coalition voters wanted a same-sex marriage conscience vote.

Sorry, but GetUp orchistrated campaign polls dont count.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognitio ... _Australia

(check link)

[mantra]

Told you that she just dribbles shit, just types whatever is in her excuse of a mind at the time, no reference to facts for our lunatic!

Monk - you would ban anyone who posted the abuse you post here regularly - so why the double standards?

[mellie]

If Labor are confident that the poll findings are accurate, then why not take it to referendum?

They have cherry-picked their polls, thus cherry picked their findings also.

[Neferti]

A referendum is a very expensive exercise ... plus only 8 of 44 proposals have been carried by referendum, so it would be an absolute waste of money.

Only eight of the forty-four proposals have been carried by referendum:

Senate Elections (12 December 1906) made minor alterations concerning Senate elections and terms of Senators
State Debts (13 April 1910) allowed the Commonwealth takeover of State debts
State Debts (17 November 1928) formalised the position of the Loan Council
Social Services (28 September 1946) gave the Commonwealth power to provide certain social services
Aboriginals (27 May 1967) gave the Commonwealth power to make laws for Aboriginal people resident in the States and to include all Aboriginal people in the national census
Casual Vacancies (21 May 1977) aimed at ensuring that a replacement Senator should be from the same party as the departing Senator
Territory Votes (21 May 1977) gave residents of the Australian Capital Territory and the Northern Territory the right to vote in constitutional referendums
Retirement of Judges (21 May 1977) provided for a retirement age of 70 for all federal judges.

http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/sea ... %2F0065%22

Homosexuals already have the same rights as Common Law (De Facto) couples so why do they want to get "married" in a Church? They can get "married" by getting a Licence at the local Registry Office, like everyone else can.

[skippy]

If Labor are confident that the poll findings are accurate, then why not take it to referendum?

They have cherry-picked their polls, thus cherry picked their findings also.

I support your right to be a total fucking whack job loonie conspironut mellie, but I will point it out every time.

[mantra]

I had no idea that the majority of people supported gay marriage. I've fallen behind in my political reading.

Perhaps having a referendum is too big a deal for this issue.