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Re: Abbott - Cut immigration...

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:36 pm

Rorschach wrote:
Yogi I have never heard Hanson change the PHON policy which is for zero net migration...
Excerpt from One Nation's latest Immigration Policy.
We live in the most arid continent in the world with a fragile ecosystem and on this basis we believe in zero net migration. By this we mean that we will adjust the immigration intake so that it leads to a healthy population profile after natural births and deaths are taken into account.
I was unaware ON had a zero migration policy at any stage.
I just saw/read an article (The Australian) within the last few months where Hanson specifically stated ON is proposing a cut/reduction of immigration to 70% of current levels.

My take on it was she was trying to give the impression ON is not anti-immigration per se, but is pro controlled immigration, because as soon as you admit you're anti-immigration the snow flakes scream "RACIST!".

So when a party or candidate publicly admits they are anti-immigration, I'll register on the roll and cast a vote in their favour.
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Re: Abbott - Cut immigration...

Post by Redneck » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:00 pm

Rorschach wrote:Tony Abbott calls on Peter Dutton to cut Australia’s migration intake
The Australian
7:12AM February 21, 2018

Tony Abbott has ramped up pressure on the Turnbull government to accept a drastic cut to the nation’s migration levels, saying Immigration Minister Peter Dutton could “manage numbers down quite quickly” to help ease local job market and housing affordability pressures.

The former Liberal prime minister last night made reducing immigration the main focus of his remedy to improve Australian livelihoods in an address to the Sydney Institute.

While giving credit to Mr Dutton for flagging last week that the immigration intake should be reviewed, Mr Abbott insisted reducing the current level from 190,000 to 110,000 a year was necessary “at least until infrastructure, housing stock and integration has better caught up”.

Dismissing any suggestion from political opponents that his proposal might be xenophobic or racist, Mr Abbott said scaling back immigration was the government’s “duty” to its citizens.

While he favoured a “bigger Australia” in the longer term, this did not rule out short-term cuts in the national interest for economic growth.

In his speech, parts of which were released in advance, the former prime minister said “something has gone badly wrong” with the immigration intake when only 30 per cent were proficient in English.

At the same time, he said jobs were harder to find because more foreigners were taking those available. Local wages remained static and the high immigration rates concentrated in cities had forced up house prices.

“My issue is not immigration, it’s the rate of immigration at a time of stagnant wages, clogged infrastructure, soaring house ­prices, and in Melbourne at least, ethnic gangs that are testing the resolve of police,” he said.

“It’s a basic law of economics that increasing the supply of labour depresses wages, and that increasing demand for housing boosts price.”

Mr Abbott said the “unreality” of political discourse was that no one until Mr Dutton’s comments last week was prepared to raise immigration as an issue solely in the control of the federal government.

Answering questions afterwards, Mr Abbott said Mr Dutton could “manage numbers down” quickly but said it could take years before structural changes allowed a return to increased migration.

Mr Dutton declined to comment beyond remarks made last week when he acknowledged problems caused by the concentration of migrants around Sydney and Melbourne, and spoke against bringing migrants who were “going to be a burden”.

Population expert Bob Birrell said Mr Abbott had a “powerful case” that could help the government ease economic pressures.

Mr Birrell, a former Monash University professor and now head of the Australian Population Research Institute, said the government had already acted to reduce skilled migration levels by a third but the “numerical terms” were still unclear.

He said integration was “undoubtedly a problem” when a large number of migrants on the skilled program could not get managerial positions.

Mr Birrell said that Mr Abbott had been consistent in his calls for reduced immigration even if his position was “heavily political”.


Scott Morrison needs to pull his head in and stop spouting the major party's accord on a big Australia.... Australia does not need to import skills... it needs to train the people already here.


A very good thought provoking article!

Well done!

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Re: Abbott - Cut immigration...

Post by Black Orchid » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:02 pm

Yes, I agree, and it is something more of us need to take a vocal interest in.

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Re: Abbott - Cut immigration...

Post by The Mechanic » Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:45 am

Black Orchid wrote:Yes, I agree, and it is something more of us need to take a vocal interest in.
I've been saying it for years... '

this is the only industry that the Australian Government can rely on...

bring in hundreds of thousands of immigrants...

because then they need houses, food services...

without the immigrants growth would stop... (not that that matters)

but then they all end up on welfare...

its one big Pyramid that will collapse in on itself one day...

its NOT real industry... its NOT real growth...
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Re: Abbott - Cut immigration...

Post by Alinta » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:52 am

An uncomfortable and unpalatable truth for many.....totally agree with Abbott's view on current immigration level and hope it promotes far far greater discussion on reality.

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Re: Abbott - Cut immigration...

Post by The Mechanic » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:32 am

Alinta wrote:An uncomfortable and unpalatable truth for many.....totally agree with Abbott's view on current immigration level and hope it promotes far far greater discussion on reality.
the "Progressives" don't want a sensible discussion on it..

they want to continue to flood the country with immigrants who "wont" assimilate"

Australia used to demand that immigrants assimilate with Australians and that of the Australian way.. ie learn the bloody language for a start so that you can mix in and enjoy the Australian way of life etc..

but now..

the Progressives shout down any suggestion of assimilation along with places like the ABC and SBS...

so now we ethnic enclaves ... ie Their own little Mini Iraq in some suburb of an Australian city whereby they make another place like that of the one they left.. as in "escaped" from..

this is failure of Government policy and that of the morons that vote Greens/Labor..

its the same with the "Stolen Generation" myth...

kids were taken for protection...

but even now today.. welfare agencies are too scared to take children out of aboriginal communities even when they know they are being abused...

just this week... we had a 2 year old girls that was raped by a family member... they were already worried about this grub but no one acted because of the "Stolen Generation" myth...

thank you Labor/Greens party...

thank you progressives and do-gooders...

thank you ANC/SBS

you are complicate in the actions of these children getting abused, pack raped and killed... :evil:
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Re: Abbott - Cut immigration...

Post by Alinta » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:04 pm

To be honest Mechanic I would be heartened to see as a starting point recognition that the present level of immigration, per se, is too high. Nothing can really happen in the absence of accepting this premise.

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Re: Abbott - Cut immigration...

Post by Rorschach » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:02 pm

the Australian Conservatives are looking to CUT Immigration numbers... :thumb :thumb :thumb
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Re: Abbott - Cut immigration...

Post by Rorschach » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:13 pm

Trust Tony Abbott to tell it like it is about issues that matter most
John Stone
The Australian
12:00AM February 26, 2018

Last week Tony Abbott delivered the most outstanding speech, on immigration and other related topics, by any politician for many years. When did you last hear from an Australian politician any speech that calmly and analytically set out to initiate a vitally needed public debate? Ironically, the last one in my memory was also delivered (in London) by the same Tony Abbott last October, dealing then with the “global warming” religion and the associated erroneous and hugely costly energy policies from which we all suffer.

Have you ever heard Malcolm Turnbull make a memorable speech about anything — apart, perhaps, from his recent remarks excoriating his then deputy prime minister in terms that the latter, the next day, justifiably called “inept” and “unnecessary”?

The reaction to Abbott’s speech from his Liberal Party colleagues was deplorable — ad hominem, illogical and in many respects untruthful, a response that would discredit a secondary school debating team.

Yet even that deplorable response focused on one part only of Abbott’s remarks, which dealt not merely with our excessive immigration rate but also with stagnant wages growth, housing prices, jobs — particularly for young Australians — infrastructure backlogs, demands on our welfare bill and harmful effects on our already badly strained cultural harmony. All these, Abbott said, are being adversely affected by today’s immigration rate.

Contrary to many of his critics’ subsequent misrepresentations, Abbott did not assert that his proposal to cut the permanent immigration program from its present 190,000 a year to the 110,000 it averaged under the Howard government would solve all this. What he did claim, correctly, was that reducing immigrant inflow would contribute usefully to doing so.

Among several competitors, the most shameful response came from Scott Morrison. He relied on faulty analysis and, far worse, erroneous claims. He should know that in the lead-up to the 2015 budget, Abbott pressed (in the expenditure review committee, of which Morrison was a member) for a cut in the permanent immigration program.


He should also recall that, after the 2013 election, when Morrison was minister for immigration, Abbott cut the most costly permanent immigration component, the refugee and humanitarian program, from the 20,000 level to which Julia Gillard had raised it, back to 13,750 — a truly courageous decision that, predictably, brought down the usual furies on Abbott’s head.

How do I know this? Well, Abbott has publicly spelled out those ERC facts, and if I had to choose between him and the notoriously duplicitous Morrison, of whose underhand role in Abbott’s sacking I have written about elsewhere, I would unhesitatingly choose the former. But I don’t have to rely on that judgment. From March 2011 to September 2015, one of our sons served as Abbott’s chief economic adviser, and although during all that time his lips remained sealed, including to his father, he has now authorised me to say that Abbott’s published account is entirely accurate. So Morrison is wrong. Would he repeat his claim in answer to a carefully framed parliamentary question?

What, moreover, should we make of Morrison’s claim that cutting the permanent immigration program would cost the budget $4 billion-$5 billion over four years?

These figures are thoroughly misleading. For starters, they are up to 10 times higher per migrant place than comparable figures published by Treasury in the May 2009 budget would suggest. But even if you accept them as the commonwealth’s budgetary cost (which, for several reasons, I don’t), they neglect entirely the costs to which the greatly increased immigrant intake has subjected state budgets and local authorities. Think more schools, additional hospital beds, more police, more roads, footpaths, kerbing and guttering, and the list goes on. NSW and Victoria, in particular, where the immigrant increase has been concentrated, are groaning under these pressures.

In any case, ask yourself this question: If Abbott’s proposed immigration cut could raise lower-income workers’ wages by even (say) a few per cent, if it could produce even (say) a 5 per cent fall in the average cost of Sydney and Melbourne housing, if even (say) 20,000 more young Australians could get jobs now being taken by immigrants, wouldn’t you think that even a commonwealth budgetary cost of just $1 billion a year would be well worth paying?
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