Goodbye Toyota

[Rorschach]

So Toyota is jumping ship on Australia and for the exact same reasons I gave for Holden giving up in another thread. Well, guess maybe you might want to rethink those trade tariffs.

Yes Australia is honing their manufacturing down so we won't be faced with the hard task of thinking about tariffs. We are aiming to become a banana republic and when the last big manufacturer moves offshore - we can concentrate on what we do best - selling off our mineral resources to foreigners to make them wealthy. We want to become one big quarry and rely on importing everything we use and eat. Our export figures are abysmal and likely to get a lot worse as our minerals decline in price.

It's irrelevant that 1 million people are employed in manufacturing because the government is creating a few hundred more jobs in the service industry, so our kids can polish the boots of the fat cats who invest here. Those who can't find work will be put to work picking up papers to earn their food stamps.

Toyota employs 500,000 people directly and indirectly.

Just how is "Australia" responsible for the decision of these car companies mantra? How is Australia or Australians doing anything you say?
The dollar floats.
Unions have a very small membership in the workforce.
Governments don't create any jobs except those in the bureaucracy.
Global markets decide resource prices.
To export more than natural resources you need industries like manufacturing... etc, etc, etc

[Rorschach]

The Treasurer proceeded to attack the Australian Manufacturing Workers' Union for placing unreasonable demands on Toyota.

But Toyota's management has strongly rejected the report of its December meeting with Mr Hockey, issuing a statement to deny allegations that it blamed the union for its decision to leave Australia in 2017.

“Toyota Australia has never blamed the union for its decision to close its manufacturing operations by the end of 2017, neither publicly or in private discussions with any stakeholders,” the company said in a statement.

“As stated at the time of the announcement, there is no single reason that led to this decision.

“The market and economic factors contributing to the decision include the unfavourable Australian dollar ... and low economies of scale for our vehicle production and local supplier base.

“Together with one of the most open and fragmented automotive markets in the world and increased competitiveness due to current and future Free Trade Agreements, it is not viable to continue building cars in Australia.”

[DaS Energy]

Australia has had free trade agreement with America for years. Free trade agreements not include a tariff.

[mantra]

Just how is "Australia" responsible for the decision of these car companies mantra? How is Australia or Australians doing anything you say?
The dollar floats.

Governments don't create any jobs except those in the bureaucracy.
Global markets decide resource prices.
To export more than natural resources you need industries like manufacturing... etc, etc, etc

The quote in your next post contradicts what you say.

Unions have a very small membership in the workforce.

Exactly - so how are they responsible for the departure of Toyota? Do you think if the workers had been asked to forego some extra benefits now to ensure them a job in the future, they wouldn't have come to an arrangement - with or without the union's help.

The Treasurer proceeded to attack the Australian Manufacturing Workers' Union for placing unreasonable demands on Toyota.

I also saw and heard the above crap come out of Abbott's own mouth last night. He's a shocker and is coming across as a poor man's version of Bush, which is nothing to brag about. We know Abbott's trying to emasculate the unions and destroy manufacturing here. He's not even subtle about his plans.

Toyoto responded......

But Toyota's management has strongly rejected the report of its December meeting with Mr Hockey, issuing a statement to deny allegations that it blamed the union for its decision to leave Australia in 2017.

“Toyota Australia has never blamed the union for its decision to close its manufacturing operations by the end of 2017, neither publicly or in private discussions with any stakeholders,” the company said in a statement.

“As stated at the time of the announcement, there is no single reason that led to this decision.

[mantra]

Australia has had free trade agreement with America for years. Free trade agreements not include a tariff.

You're right Das - free trade agreements don't include a tariff. The previous Coalition government signed us up to an FTA with the US. Our trade deficit with the US is massive and getting worse. We can't compete with them - nor will we be able to compete with China when Abbott signs us up to an FTA with them. Signing us up to a TPP will be even more devastating for Australia.

[Rorschach]

Just how is "Australia" responsible for the decision of these car companies mantra? How is Australia or Australians doing anything you say? Well mantra where's your answers? oh right you are just going to attack me for something I've not said.
The dollar floats.

Governments don't create any jobs except those in the bureaucracy.
Global markets decide resource prices.
To export more than natural resources you need industries like manufacturing... etc, etc, etc

So no refutation or agreement just the following rot.

The quote in your next post contradicts what you say. Really... ? Where's the contradiction? I was referring to your exaggeration and hubris re WE Australians being responsible, which you keep avoiding.

Unions have a very small membership in the workforce.

They do but in some industries they are highly represented. and very powerful.

Exactly - so how are they responsible for the departure of Toyota? I didn't say they were. Do you think if the workers had been asked to forego some extra benefits now to ensure them a job in the future, they wouldn't have come to an arrangement - with or without the union's help. I'm not a Union basher mantra, wake up to yourself.

The Treasurer proceeded to attack the Australian Manufacturing Workers' Union for placing unreasonable demands on Toyota.

I also saw and heard the above crap come out of Abbott's own mouth last night. He's a shocker and is coming across as a poor man's version of Bush, which is nothing to brag about. We know Abbott's trying to emasculate the unions and destroy manufacturing here. He's not even subtle about his plans. more typical ad hom from mantra playing the man who cannot defend himself here.

Toyoto responded......

But Toyota's management has strongly rejected the report of its December meeting with Mr Hockey, issuing a statement to deny allegations that it blamed the union for its decision to leave Australia in 2017.

“Toyota Australia has never blamed the union for its decision to close its manufacturing operations by the end of 2017, neither publicly or in private discussions with any stakeholders,” the company said in a statement.

“As stated at the time of the announcement, there is no single reason that led to this decision.

So just what is wrong with you mantra? I POSTED TOYOTA'S RESPONSE... I disagreed with Abbott and Hockey and here you are rabbiting on about something I never said with apparently the 100% wrong idea I agree with their union bashing. I agree with Toyota there is not 1 single reason for their decison. Toyota never said wages and conditions etc were not part of the equation mantra...
As usual no foul language or lies from me and the usual from you.

[Rorschach]

Australia has had free trade agreement with America for years. Free trade agreements not include a tariff.

You're right Das - free trade agreements don't include a tariff. The previous Coalition government signed us up to an FTA with the US. Our trade deficit with the US is massive and getting worse. We can't compete with them - nor will we be able to compete with China when Abbott signs us up to an FTA with them. Signing us up to a TPP will be even more devastating for Australia.

Toyota are not an American company.
Both major parties support free trade agreements.
lets not pretend otherwise eh.

[Chard]

Australia has had free trade agreement with America for years. Free trade agreements not include a tariff.

Bullshit. Show me where in the 2004 Australia-United States Free Trade Agreement it says neither party may implement tariffs. In fact, the agreement is highly slanted in Australia's favor with provisions granting you lower tariffs on exporting everything from foodstuffs to raw materials to manufactured goods at a substantially lower tariff schedule than anyone without an FTA with us.

The AU-US FTA didn't kill your industry, you fuckers did it to yourselves by lowering your tariffs on imported goods from countries you didn't have an FTA with. Add to that Union labor that makes our UAW goons looks like absolute saints, and you wonder why it is your manufacturing capacity is going away?

Stop blaming us, you fucking wankers. You did this to yourselves. Take some goddamn responsibility for your actions for once.

[Rorschach]

Just so I don't get the wrong idea... who is the YOU you keep referring to Chard?

[mantra]

Australia has had free trade agreement with America for years. Free trade agreements not include a tariff.

Bullshit. Show me where in the 2004 Australia-United States Free Trade Agreement it says neither party may implement tariffs. In fact, the agreement is highly slanted in Australia's favor with provisions granting you lower tariffs on exporting everything from foodstuffs to raw materials to manufactured goods at a substantially lower tariff schedule than anyone without an FTA with us.

The AU-US FTA didn't kill your industry, you fuckers did it to yourselves by lowering your tariffs on imported goods from countries you didn't have an FTA with. Add to that Union labor that makes our UAW goons looks like absolute saints, and you wonder why it is your manufacturing capacity is going away?

Stop blaming us, you fucking wankers. You did this to yourselves. Take some goddamn responsibility for your actions for once.

No-one is specifically blaming the US - it takes two to tango. I wasn't aware that some FTA's included tariffs - so I've learnt something.

How does a little two bit country like Australia compete with such larger nations who barely pay their workers a living wage? Answer - we can't.

This section acknowledges the rights and obligations of Australia and the United States to each other with respect to combating barriers to trade. These rights and obligations were laid out by the WTO Agreement on Technical Barriers to Trade, which deals with standards, regulations, and conformity assessments, among other things.

Most of the section is language from both countries agreeing to share information on several levels of government regulation. They agree to attempt to accept each other's regulations and publish such rules and regulations in a timely manner in order to ensure transparency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia% ... _Agreement

What idiot government would sign an agreement which states that "they agree to attempt to accept each other's regulations". Australia's idiot government and we buckle. Might is right and the US are mighty. So is China.