ALP subsidises loggers, silences protest groups

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Re: ALP subsidises loggers, silences protest groups

Post by IQS.RLOW » Sun May 12, 2013 9:42 pm

You automatically slung off at the author without even realising
a) what the article was about
b) what the position of the author was
c) who the author was

Your blind partisan hackneyed mindset blinds you to argument that even supports your preferred party because it goes against the re-election of the ALP.

You are going to be in for a torrid time in the lead up to the election...because the ALP and the Greens know they have lost and they are going to go toe to toe for the leftover crumbs.

Better pick a side if I were you and start attacking those ALP policies...they will be going after the Greens and their voters...or have you decided that the ALP are now better than Bobs party?
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Re: ALP subsidises loggers, silences protest groups

Post by mantra » Sun May 12, 2013 10:02 pm

I'm sick of the lot of them. All the parties are selling out to score points.
Monk wrote:The Tas state Greens voted for this.

Some forest will still get logged yet most wilderness now protected.
Monk - I can't find the figures now, but logging in old growth forests will increase by about 200% under this deal. This is a boost for the logging industry. Why we subsidise foreign companies to destroy our environment to save 100 or so jobs is incredulous. The original plan which a few years ago the Greens had bargained for was that the unemployed loggers would be retrained for other industries.

Thousands of people become unemployed every week - no-one gives a stuff about them because they don't belong to a union. The Tasmanian Greens have stuffed up. Obviously Brown could see this coming and walked. He was past the stage of controlling a party with so many conflicting opinions - even though if it wasn't for him, those senators wouldn't be in a position to make such thoughtless decisions. Their idiocy will cost them their jobs next time around.
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Re: ALP subsidises loggers, silences protest groups

Post by IQS.RLOW » Sun May 12, 2013 10:06 pm

What other industries do the Greens offer?
Brown shirt tree tours?
Basket weaving lessons?
How to create dreadlocks with your own faeces?
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Re: ALP subsidises loggers, silences protest groups

Post by Jovial_Monk » Sun May 12, 2013 10:09 pm

The areas logging can take place in are greatly reduced and eventually loggers will have to turn to plantations. Forget that idiot Christine Milne and read the actual agreement, you will see she and Bob Brown are acting like headless chooks. You are very cavalier about unemployment there, mantra, not nice.

The pulp mill is gone—the Greens will get their paper made from pulp produced in 3rd world pulp mills and likely not ask questions about what those mills are doing to the environment and the people working in and living near that mill. Fucking hypocrites!
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Re: ALP subsidises loggers, silences protest groups

Post by IQS.RLOW » Sun May 12, 2013 10:12 pm

See what I mean Mantra...if you are a true Green you should be worried because the ALP are going to go after the only voter ground they can improve their primary on.
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Re: ALP subsidises loggers, silences protest groups

Post by mantra » Sun May 12, 2013 10:12 pm

IQS.RLOW wrote:What other industries do the Greens offer?
Brown shirt tree tours?
Basket weaving lessons?
How to create dreadlocks with your own faeces?
Industrial hemp for a start.
When scientists and politicians talk about climate change they almost always refer to “clean energy” — Denise Allen suggests we now start talking about “clean crops”.

The Labor Government’s policy of pricing carbon is the cheapest way to get big polluters to reduce their pollution output. With the advent of the introduction of the $10 billion Renewable energy fund, I am hoping Labor has allowed for funding to be used to reinvigorate one of the most ancient, yet one of the most advanced, clean crop industries on the planet.

One of the most basic and fundamental factors behind climate change, and therefore carbon emissions, is the chopping down of trees worldwide. Trees absorb carbon. Therefore, our reliance on the forestry industry is adding to the demise of our planet. In order to reduce our dependence on timber – therefore leaving trees in the ground – we must embrace and accelerate the introduction of a natural fibre industry throughout Australia.

This is not about closing down the forestry industry – it is about complementing plantation timber. Both can work hand in hand — side by side, saving and creating jobs.

Announcements over the past few years about the sustainability of logging of Australian forests indicate that many forestry workers will eventually need to find alternative employment and new technologies will be needed to cope with the reduced supply of forest products.

To maintain jobs in rural and regional Australia in the short term, and to increase employment in the longer term without jeopardising native forests for future generations, a fresh approach is needed.

The development of natural fibre industries provides an option for utilising the existing workforce without the need for significant retraining. Employment and economic growth could boom with new industries based on a diversity of natural fibres.

State and Federal Government grants could be given to struggling existing mills (some of which have already closed, while others are under serious threat) to establish natural fibre processing plants. Existing mill workers could easily be retrained to use the new processing equipment. Workers could alternate between the timber plant and the natural fibre plant just as many do between dry timber processing and green sites.

There is a vast array of natural fibres that can complement those produced by the forest product industry including flax, kenaf, sisal, ramie, coir, jute and bamboo. All could provide the stimulus needed to sustain rural/regional employment and economic growth.

However, the most important natural fibre product is industrial hemp.

http://www.independentaustralia.net/201 ... rial-hemp/

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Re: ALP subsidises loggers, silences protest groups

Post by Jovial_Monk » Sun May 12, 2013 10:15 pm

That is crap.

When trees are cut down and turned into timber for building the carbon in those trees is locked up. Then new trees are planted and take up and lock away more carbon.

I agree hemp is a great fibre and we should do more with it.

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Re: ALP subsidises loggers, silences protest groups

Post by IQS.RLOW » Sun May 12, 2013 10:16 pm

I mean actual money earning, employment generating industries - not an excuse for hippies to hide their pot growing
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Re: ALP subsidises loggers, silences protest groups

Post by mantra » Sun May 12, 2013 10:26 pm

Jovial_Monk wrote:That is crap.

When trees are cut down and turned into timber for building the carbon in those trees is locked up. Then new trees are planted and take up and lock away more carbon.

I agree hemp is a great fibre and we should do more with it.
Monk the fact is there is so much of our wilderness being destroyed that in 50 years time - Australia will be useless for anything. What is the point of a carbon tax when we're destroying all our forests.

Even state governments are unlocking more and more national parks and dividing them up for commercial and housing development.

Land clearing since 1996 has contributed to at least 13% of our greenhouse emissions and more than 70% of our native vegetation has been cleared for industry, mining, logging and agriculture. Unless we cease or modify our habits - how long will the remaining 30% sustain us?

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Re: ALP subsidises loggers, silences protest groups

Post by mantra » Sun May 12, 2013 10:28 pm

IQS.RLOW wrote:I mean actual money earning, employment generating industries - not an excuse for hippies to hide their pot growing
I bet you'd be the first one applying for a job in the hemp industry and hiding your pot growing. Hypocrite.

Industrial hemp is not marijuana.

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