Fraudband

[IQS.RLOW]

I wouldnt be using that pole smoker "Sortius" as an authority on anything after he embarrassed himself over the time stamp - hes an IT laughing stock

[Jovial_Monk]

Telstra handing over assets at a faster than anticipated rate as NBN Co rapidly scales up the rollout of the NBN:

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/343227,nb ... ities.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Jovial_Monk]

Sortius sorts out the wheat from the chaff re vectoring, Turncoat’s magic party trick that is supposed to get 100mbps out of Telstra’s crap copper:

First, I'll look at AT&T's vectoring& what their plan is. AT&T have slated US$3b to upgrade 1 million customers to either pair bonded/vectored services or to FTTH/FTTB. The upgrade is minimal at best, servicing a paltry 1.7% of their customer base, yet the per service cost is around US$3000, not exactly cheap for something they've already spent billions on deploying, & will have to spend billions upgrading soon. There's also the whole bonding with vectoring, something that just wouldn't be possible with Australia's copper network: there just aren't enough high speed data capable pairs for people to run bonded services. . . .

When looking at a good example, Deutsche Telekom (DT), we see a stark contrast to the US example. DT jumped on the VDSL2 bandwagon early, & has had a fully functioning VDSL2 network offering up to 50Mbps services to the 10 million premises passed by their FTTN network. Not only are DT investing in ]vectoring,but in deploying Fibre to the Curb (FTTC), reducing VDSL2 copper runs to a fraction of what they are now. Overall, DT are slated to reinvest US$38b into their copper network, part of a bigger 20-25 year plan to invest $103b in upgrading their network to FTTH.

Looking at the upgrade to FTTC with vectoring that DT are doing, the per premises cost is close to US$3800 per premises passed, & that’s on copper that has already been upgraded/remediated to offer 50Mbps speeds. One thing not to forget in both examples is that both AT&T & DT have established FTTN networks with copper that can already run VDSL2 comfortably, yet the cost per premises is much higher than has been assumed in the coalition’s plan.

Comparing DT & the Coalition’s plan, we can say with assuredness that upgrading to vectoring alone will be in the $20b ballpark, not to dissimilar to upgrading the FTTN network to FTTP (an estimated $21b). All up, the final cost of getting to FTTP by the Coalition’s route is creeping closer to $70b in today’s dollars, if not more when the Telstra deal is taken into account (estimated at $30b). So we could be in for $100b of folly that will negatively shape Australia’s digital future. . . .

The big nail in that coffin is that vectoring does not work when all lines are not vectored by the same provider.

http://sortius-is-a-geek.com/?p=2970" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NBN Co would be flogged off if Abbott became PM—so just one provider.

The clearest indication yet that the Libs have no intention of building ANY kind of NBN, we would be back to 18 plans but nothing done. And our international competitiveness keeps slipping, education won’t get the lift the NBN could provide, and when the Boomers grow old and frail we will have to invest $Trns to build and staff hospitals and nursing homes because the NBN is not there to let them stay in their own homes.

[Rorschach]

bwahahaha Apparently Turncoat* doesn’t like Fraudband being called Fraudband! Sortius points out—the LNP used that term first to describe the planned NBN MkI. He also points out, again, that Fraudband is the right description. Didn’t point out that the Libs, if they get in in Sep, won’t build ANY kind of NBN—too busy creating a recession with austerity!

http://sortius-is-a-geek.com/?p=2958


* I call the cvnt Turncoat because he thinks FTTH is just dandy for the French and Spanish but crap ADSL is good enough for Aussies! Fuck that!

Well we all know how wrong Sortius has been in the past don't we
Do try to find a more reliable less politically biased source JM.

We all know we can't afford a rolled gold NBN at the moment and that technological change will make it redundant sooner than later. Pity Wayne didn't realise this he might have had a few surpluses... oh wait... it's not really on the books is it. Uncosted, untried, unaffordable and under the table.

[Jovial_Monk]

So, straight 100% hogwash or do you have any FACTS, roach?

[IQS.RLOW]

Facts are that Soretarse was completely wrong on the time stamp issue...embarrassingly so.

He should be hanging his head in shame and crawl back to his help desk where his top skills would be helping little old ladies turn on their monitors

[Super Nova]

NBN and the way it has been designed is old technology and will end up being not a good investment and is placing a big bet that will require a fresh before it has paid for itself.

Fibre to the home in all cases is overkill.

As we discussed when we started this debate a couple of years ago Monk I predicted that mobile technology will advance faster.

Electronics giant Samsung says it has successfully tested superfast fifth-generation (5G) wireless technology that would eventually allow users to download an entire movie in one second.

The South Korean company said the test had witnessed data transmission of more than 1Gb per second over a distance of two kilometres.

The new technology, which will not be ready for the commercial market before 2020 at the earliest, would offer transmitting speeds "up to several hundred times faster" than existing 4G networks, it said in a statement.

That will permit users to "transmit massive data files including high quality digital movies practically without limitation", it said.

It doss have a limitation that is congestion. Did you know that fibre does too. It is just that the limits are higher and it depends on the network design.

Now, with most of the rest of the world not taking the NBN approach when will Austral get into the top 5 considering the investment made.

Australian internet speeds have fallen again compared to the rest of the world, says a new survey.

Average Australian connection speeds fell 2.5 per cent in the third quarter of 2012 as the country sank to 40th in the world, according to Akamai Technologies' third quarter "State of the internet" report.

Australia dropped from 39th position globally in the second quarter of 2012, being beaten by five countries in the region. Australia came out on top of New Zealand, however, which ended up in 46th place.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/techno ... z2TLOjhXoY

Is NBN uptake going to move Australia up the list very much. As new approaches and technology come to the fore, Australia will have made a huge bet on one solution that will require change blowing the business case and any advantage claimed by the current approach.

Change the approach, reduce costs and allow private companies to drive innovation based on normal business economics. The bush can still be subsidised by the government by tendering for solution with private enterprise.

[Jovial_Monk]

Actually, idiot, wireless is not a superior form of network—there are immutable laws of physics it comes up against. I have mentioned these before so not doing that now. You are a complete fucking ignoramus re IT, that is plain to see.

[IQS.RLOW]

Which law of physics would a high bandwidth, high speed wireless network break?

[Super Nova]

Actually, idiot, wireless is not a superior form of network—there are immutable laws of physics it comes up against. I have mentioned these before so not doing that now. You are a complete fucking ignoramus re IT, that is plain to see.

You make bold statement and have bold assumptions.

I understand the law of physics and the pace of innovation and change.

I suppose, if you knew anything about it, you would have subscribed to that the world only really needed 3 mainframe computers or Betamax was the best and should be the standard.

Do you realise that fibre is carrying light waves (EM) and therefore will have limits to how much information it can carry. Light has a relatively large wave length compared to the extreme end of the full EM spectrum. Even with multiple waves on the same fibre there are limits. The future of networks is to be able to transmit at wavelengths much smaller than the current fibre can carry. The airwaves EM improvements continually demonstrate that. Soon fibre will hit a physical limit and there will be a major communications revolution that will require today NBN to be replaced.

Using wireless from a post in the street to the home is a more cost effective solution than fibre to every home. The last mile ocst I have always questioned as a waste of money.