Labors carbonic tax plague has fallen off the radar?

[mantra]

Actually that is not true. In Labor you can be kicked out.
You can cross the floor in the Coalition.
You can disagree without being ostracised just like Abbott and Andrews did re Workchoices.

Howard silenced his lackeys on a regular basis. No-one could step out of line. As far as Abbott and Andrews meak little protests - no doubt performed so they wouldn't lose their seats, Howard ignored them - as he ignored Costello.

The Libs are addicted to Workchoices and that's a fact. As pm - Abbott will have no voice either. He will toe the party line.

As usual the facts disprove your bias and propaganda mantra.

Just because you say it - doesn't mean it's true.

[Rorschach]

Actually that is not true. In Labor you can be kicked out.
You can cross the floor in the Coalition.
You can disagree without being ostracised just like Abbott and Andrews did re Workchoices.

Howard silenced his lackeys on a regular basis. No-one could step out of line. As far as Abbott and Andrews meak little protests - no doubt performed so they wouldn't lose their seats, Howard ignored them - as he ignored Costello.

The Libs are addicted to Workchoices and that's a fact. As pm - Abbott will have no voice either. He will toe the party line.

As usual the facts disprove your bias and propaganda mantra.

Just because you say it - doesn't mean it's true.

You have the same idiotic arguments all the time.
You are always on about Howard, your hatred knows no bounds even if the guy isn't in politics anymore.
Well mantra if it's true and then I say it guess what...

Oh and mantra guess what... in a party except Labor democracy usually holds and decisions go with the vote.
In Labor you must toe the party line or you get kicked out.
Wright, Wood, Broadbent, Moylan, Joyce, Turnbull, Georgio, Martin, Bjelke-Petersen, Bonner, Wentworth, Walters, Killen, Withers, Hill, Ruddock....

And of the 245 MPs who crossed the floor during the 54 years, only 28 were from the Labor Party. The reason is that Labor MPs are bound by a formal party pledge to support the collective decisions of their parliamentary caucus. To flout the pledge is to risk expulsion from the party. The last MP to ignore such warnings was Western Australia's Graeme Campbell. He lost his ALP endorsement in 1995, and his seat, as an independent, in the House of Representatives in 1998.

I keep telling you things you keep saying I'm wrong. Yet the vast majority of times I'm right mantra. In fact almost all the time, because unlike you I check my FACTS first.

The research paper notes that whether Labor was in government or not, its 28 MPs crossed the floor on only 18 occasions. The 227 Coalition MPs who crossed the floor did so on 427 occasions. And Coalition MPs were much more likely to cross the floor when they were in government than in opposition, whereas there was no difference for Labor.

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[mantra]

You have the same idiotic arguments all the time.
You are always on about Howard, your hatred knows no bounds even if the guy isn't in politics anymore.
Well mantra if it's true and then I say it guess what...

Oh and mantra guess what... in a party except Labor democracy usually holds and decisions go with the vote.
In Labor you must toe the party line or you get kicked out.
Wright, Wood, Broadbent, Moylan, Joyce, Turnbull, Georgio, Martin, Bjelke-Petersen, Bonner, Wentworth, Walters, Killen, Withers, Hill, Ruddock....

And of the 245 MPs who crossed the floor during the 54 years, only 28 were from the Labor Party. The reason is that Labor MPs are bound by a formal party pledge to support the collective decisions of their parliamentary caucus. To flout the pledge is to risk expulsion from the party. The last MP to ignore such warnings was Western Australia's Graeme Campbell. He lost his ALP endorsement in 1995, and his seat, as an independent, in the House of Representatives in 1998.

I keep telling you things you keep saying I'm wrong. Yet the vast majority of times I'm right mantra. In fact almost all the time, because unlike you I check my FACTS first.

The research paper notes that whether Labor was in government or not, its 28 MPs crossed the floor on only 18 occasions. The 227 Coalition MPs who crossed the floor did so on 427 occasions. And Coalition MPs were much more likely to cross the floor when they were in government than in opposition, whereas there was no difference for Labor.

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Interesting! So there were only 28 MP's who objected to Labor's proposed legislation over a long period of time - yet on the other hand 427 Coalition MP's crossed the floor in dissatisfaction over Howard's proposed legislation when he was leader of the opposition and/or PM?

Perhaps the Labor MP's weren't as dissatisfied with their leader's demands as the Liberal MP's were?

[mellie]

No, it's just Liberals MP's aren't afraid to make their stance felt, rather are more comfortable airing their grievances, or policy objections along with crossing the floor, whereas Labors MP's just loath their party's leader in secret, this and wait for an opportune time to knife them in the back.



I though Labors treachery and false allegiance/loyalty was plainly obvious, Mantra.

And I think even a kooky fellow Earthian Bob Brown gets this.

He knows Labors treachery only too well.

[Rorschach]

Interesting! So there were only 28 MP's who objected to Labor's proposed legislation over a long period of time - yet on the other hand 427 Coalition MP's crossed the floor in dissatisfaction over Howard's proposed legislation when he was leader of the opposition and/or PM?

Perhaps the Labor MP's weren't as dissatisfied with their leader's demands as the Liberal MP's were?

Talk about twisting reality to match your bias and hatred mantra...
I leave it for others to judge your stupidity.
Oh and no that's not factual, best you get an adult to read things and explain them for you.
It would seem under Howard there was very little dissatisfaction at all, but unlike Labor it is allowed to be aired publicly and you can even cross the floor without being expelled from the party.

Why do you always waste my time?

[mantra]

Interesting! So there were only 28 MP's who objected to Labor's proposed legislation over a long period of time - yet on the other hand 427 Coalition MP's crossed the floor in dissatisfaction over Howard's proposed legislation when he was leader of the opposition and/or PM?

Perhaps the Labor MP's weren't as dissatisfied with their leader's demands as the Liberal MP's were?

Talk about twisting reality to match your bias and hatred mantra...
I leave it for others to judge your stupidity.
Oh and no that's not factual, best you get an adult to read things and explain them for you.
It would seem under Howard there was very little dissatisfaction at all, but unlike Labor it is allowed to be aired publicly and you can even cross the floor without being expelled from the party.

Why do you always waste my time?

[Neferti]

I remember The Menagerie.

[Rorschach]

As usual you've got nothing mantra...

[Neferti]

Mantra is like a stuck record ...... Howard Hater still, all these years. Remember her on Cracker?

[Rorschach]

Yes nothing changes... might help her credibility if she actually admitted she was wrong for a change.
I mean it's there in black and white.