Hyperbole and one-upmanship

[Jubial Priest]

Never (too uptight about reds under the bed).

Thank you

You seem to be suggesting that the country only implemented social democratic principles as a result of that governments "good management" though. Are you ignoring the fact that well before the libs came to power, there was an established welfare safety net, legislative protection for union membership, public schooling for all, universal basic health coverage, etc.

Are you ignoring the fact that the welfare net was and needed to be tightened after the Keating govt managed to increase it to record levels. Are you ignoring the fact that union membership was never outlawed- it just wasn't compulsory. Are you ignoring the fact that successive state Labor govts have run down the public system. Are you aware that state Labor govts have run down the hospital systems.

Ignore that facts all you want

[Postul8]

Obfuscation yet again. Steering the debate from a Federal sphere of influence to over-generalisation of individual State responsibilities when the discussion centres on Federal spheres of responsibility. It is well understood that Howard deliberately waged war against all Labor states, using the 'never-ever' GST as a fiscal weapon. He negated all Federal responsibility for education and health, and destroyed a once universal health care system in favour of private enterprise which only this last week has again made private cover even more expensive, while the so-called medicare 'safety net' no longer provides the universality it once did.

The facts are well understood by those who know them.

[Jovial Monk]

the welfare net was and needed to be tightened after the Keating govt

Don't you mean "Cheating govt" Sheepy?

Umm and that 25% annual increase in workloads, 8% increase in Fed funding, forgotten that?

[Auzgurl]

"Jubial Priest"-

Surely you should be able to think up some more things that are the fault of John Howard? I like how he is responsible for the bush fires now and the bush fires are caused by GW

No sorry, that was IQ and Nef ,but John Howard told them to do it.....

[Jubial Priest]

I thought you had offed yourself JM. No such luck huh?

Don't you mean "Cheating govt" Sheepy?

Feel free to take your mistaken paranoid rants elsewhere

[boxy]

You seem to be suggesting that the country only implemented social democratic principles as a result of that governments "good management" though. Are you ignoring the fact that well before the libs came to power, there was an established welfare safety net, legislative protection for union membership, public schooling for all, universal basic health coverage, etc.

Are you ignoring the fact that the welfare net was and needed to be tightened after the Keating govt managed to increase it to record levels. Are you ignoring the fact that union membership was never outlawed- it just wasn't compulsory. Are you ignoring the fact that successive state Labor govts have run down the public system. Are you aware that state Labor govts have run down the hospital systems.

Ignore that facts all you want

I'm not ignoring that, because it's totally irrelevant to what we were discussing. You tried to say that Rudd's claim to be an economic conservative was incompatible with his claim to be a social democrat, I showed that social democratic principals where indeed conservative Australian values.

Something Howard was slow to learn.

[Jubial Priest]

I never implied that the two were mutually exclusive more that they are inversely proportional