Superstition by stealth

[Outlaw Yogi]

Didn’t make a blanket statement, said some kids had been helped. So if the evangelising is minimal I think the program is worthwhile. Or are your convictions so insecure you can’t stand an argument to the contrary?

Well by independent accounts the evangelising is not minimal, but widespread. And in any case, any evangelising at all is a violation of the program conditions.

As for convictions , well most are for weed possession, a few for prohibited weapons, and one for assault but that was a corrupt case .. defense against home invasion is perfectly legal ... should have finished the job and dumped his body in the river.
Seriously though any convictions as in beliefs (on virtually any topic/issue/subject) .. well they're malleable depending on evidence and/or personal experiences.

As for insecurities, um ... well most of us do at various stages of life ... as a teen it would have been related to having an atractive partner, bit of egoism I spoze ... in early 20s it was more about finding a permanent and affordable place to live, so at age 25 bought 25 acres for $25,500. No house yet, but the rationale is not having to pay rent when I'm old and decrepit. These days I don't have much to be insecure about, I've become a cynical and contemptuous smartarse who couldn't be bothered worrying what others think of me, because ultimately it just doesn't matter. Not many things do.

As for not being able to cope with countering arguments, well no, I enjoy it if someone can prove me wrong, because it makes me go back and reconsider my own argument. But so far you haven't presented a satisfactory argument, nor even shown the material or link to the poll you cite as supporting your position/argument. So far your argument is no better than the jesus freaks unsubstaniated self appraisal.

[Jovial Monk]

True I haven’t given much supporting evidence. Poll Bludger is a blog by William Bowe that is on the crikey site but independent. I haven’t been that interested in the chaplaincy program. Did hear of some evangelising, also heard that some kids have been helped and that was from atheist/anti-Howard sort of people so I tend to believe them.

But you do go around with blinkers on, like you are afraid to have your beliefs/philosophy challenged.

It is quite funny sometimes. You argue against nuke power partly because of losses in transmission yet want these vast ST installations built, which for max efficiency need to be in the north/northwest part of the country that would need transmission lines of a length unprecedented here.

You also show a picture of a ST station that is as big as half a small footy oval when a real life station would be 20Km by 20Km!

[Outlaw Yogi]

But you do go around with blinkers on, like you are afraid to have your beliefs/philosophy challenged.

Really? .. well if that was the case why can't you show a clear example of such behaviour on my part?
Mixing up or misconstruing arguments on other topics doesn't cut it mate.
The point on nuke was regarding safety .. paraphrasing the Japanese scientist who opposed building nukes at Fukushima for Tokyo ... "If nuke power is so safe, why not build reactors in the middle of cities where the electricity is most needed? .. rather than in regional areas, requiring extra electricity to be generated to compensate for transmission losses in the lines over long distances"

If you must know, I don't actually believe in anything conceptual without some form of evidence.
Y'see I would like it if some of these religious characters could prove their beliefs on spiritual concepts.
I've even infiltrated cults for access to literature which would be costly to obtain otherwise and studied religions from a historical perspective, and found that organised religion of any variety is completely devoid of the spirituality it trades on.
All of them prey upon vulnerable individuals.

I'm not for the outright outlawing of religious belief per se, but am for abolition of religious characters influence on social issues. If I was dictator religion would be relegated to the bookshelf between philosophy and mythology.

I suspect your support of this questionable scheme, is based on defending the familiar. It's actually a typical human trait to defend cultural indoctrination despite its failings.

Personally I found the Tibetan Bon po (pre buddhist) theory/concept of spiritual matters the most interesting.
Admitedly it drags on a bit, and I wouldn't have comprehended it without understanding sanskrit definitions and concepts beforehand, but the undelying theme is that beliefs are the mistakes which bind us to suffering for learning's sake via reincarnation, and the only way to escape is to lose all your beliefs.

[lisa jones]

The chaplaincy program is also the only way some abused/neglected etc kids are able to discuss what happened to them and what their issues are.

Don’t tar the whole program by the actions of a few.

Ahh very well said Mr Monk.

[Outlaw Yogi]

The chaplaincy program is also the only way some abused/neglected etc kids are able to discuss what happened to them and what their issues are.

Don’t tar the whole program by the actions of a few.

Ahh very well said Mr Monk.

Upon what basis?

[Jovial Monk]

Like the transmission lines from atomic power stations would lose too much to resistance in the lines, but losses from much, much longer lines from solar thermal stations being holy renewable energy have no losses at all.

[Outlaw Yogi]

Like the transmission lines from atomic power stations would lose too much to resistance in the lines, but losses from much, much longer lines from solar thermal stations being holy renewable energy have no losses at all.

But solar thermal applications are not restricted to remote areas in the way nuke is.
Heaps of Large buildings in the US have or are installing solar thermal boilers on the roof, negating transmission losses altogether. Decentralised power ststems of various kinds are becoming ever more popular because they pay for themselves in savings quickly and not prone to grid failures.
Another example .. go to your nearest marina and what you won't see are a heap of power extension leads running from mains power outlets to boats/yatchs. What you will see are mini wind turbines on the stern of most yatchs charging onboard baterries.

Anyway this is way off topic ... how about putting nuke related arguments in the relevant thread?

[mellie]

Fact -vrs- Fiction


http://beforeitsnews.com/story/628/876/ ... Earth.html