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Viking King.

Re: Farms and Carbon

Post by Viking King. » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:00 pm

Outlaw Yogi wrote:
IQS.RLOW wrote:
The reason Gough was put out is because he was actually working with the public, doing want the wanted, the ministers and Kerr did not like that because it was against the norm of politics.
He was an incompetent buffoon who tried to ruin the country. That's why he lost the 1975 election in a landslide.
Actually you're both wrong.
Whitlam was sacked by Kerr upon request by US govt.
The 99 year lease on Pine Gap (at which time only US personel could access) was to lapse the following day, and as the ALP rank and file had alot of anti-US military sentiment, the US were worried Whitlam's govt might not renew the lease. So a caretaker govt led by Malcom Frazer was installed to ensure lease renewal.

Whitlam lost the soon to follow election because the Liberal controlled senate kept blocking supply bills, meaning Whitlam's govt had no funds to pay public servants. So Whitlam clandestinely borrowed money from Arabs to keep the public service functioning. When the Liberal party disclosed such details to the public, they infered OZ was going bankrupt and Whitlam concealed it. Truth is, OZ did have the money, but the Lib senate wouldn't allow it to be used as it was supposed to.

My personal grievance with Whitlam is that he was a traitor.
During WW2 the East Timorese fought with OZ against Imperial Japan, and Javan Indonesians fought against us for Imperial Japan.
When Indonesia invaded East Timor, Whitlam did as Gerald Ford and Henry Kissinger had told him to do (during a visit the previous day) and double crossed the East Timorese. He closed Fretilin's bank account and radio station in Darwin and sanctioned Indonesian invasion.
And so despite growing up in a staunch ALP family, I've never voted Labor.
Well thar ya go, something few would have ever know about Gough, thanks Yogi.
So far as Liberal controlled senate blocking supply bills, a similar occured with Keating, were Hewson took $600mil from the 3X3 fuel tax and placed it into consolidated savings, as a gov't ruling, Keating was unable to make mention of that, Hewson, after doing so asked, "Why haven't you begun roadworks yet?

Outlaw Yogi

Re: Farms and Carbon

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:03 am

TomB wrote:
Outlaw Yogi wrote:Actually you're both wrong.
Whitlam was sacked by Kerr upon request by US govt.

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Read and weep Tom. Alfoil can't change history.

Pine Gap(Australia) CIA
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=1 ... post=97663
Shackley played a key role in the security crisis of November 1975, which revolved around the US military base at Pine Gap. Whitlam had threatened that if the US tried to “bounce” his government, he would look at the presence of US bases in Australia.

The lease for Pine Gap was due for renewal in December 1975. On 10 November 1975, the day before Whitlam was sacked, Shackley sent an extraordinary cable from the CIA to ASIO’s director general, threatening to remove ASIO from the British-US intelligence agreement because he considered Whitlam a security threat.

The cable was published by the Financial Review in 1977 and has been widely reprinted. It shows Shackley’s involvement in the security crisis.

Shackley was furious that Whitlam had accused the CIA of funding the opposition conservative parties and had claimed CIA money was being used to influence domestic Australian politics. In particular, Whitlam was asking questions about the close relationship between Richard Stallings, who ran the so-called joint facility at Pine Gap, and National Party leader Doug Anthony.

“The CIA has grave concerns as to where this type of public discussion may lead”, Shackley’s cable said.

In his 1977 speech calling for a royal commission into the activities of the CIA in Australia, Whitlam called Shackley’s cable “a clear example of the attempted deception of the Australian Government by the American intelligence community ... The message was offensive in tone, deceitful in intent and sinister in its implications.”

Coup D'etat in Australia
http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles ... r-Up1.html
There was also speculation that Pine Gap was really run by the CIA. Victor Marchetti, former Chief Executive Assistant to the Deputy Director of the CIA, and one of the drafters of the Pine Gap treaty, confirmed this suspicion: "The CIA runs it, and the CIA denies it," he said (A Secret Country, p. 198).

It was vitally important that the American base at Pine Gap remain in Australia. The U.S. had apparently discussed re-locating the base to Guam, because of the political turmoil in Australia in 1975. The cost of relocating the base was estimated to be over a billion dollars. Besides the costs, Guam was not considered to be nearly as suitable a location as Pine Gap (The National Times, Nov. 17-22, 1975).

Whitlam's conversation with Rice was not the only time he introduced uncertainties about the American bases. When asked in Parliament in April 1974 about Soviet approaches for scientific facilities in Australia (which were rejected), Whitlam suggested that the existing bases treaty with the Americans would not be extended.

The treaty covering Pine Gap was due for renewal in mid-December 1975.

In 1975, the Australian Defense Minister, Bill Morrison, met with CIA Director William Colby. Morrison was blunt with Colby, and said that he couldn't guarantee the future of the U.S. bases if it was found that the CIA was involved in activities the Australian government hadn't been told about. (The Sun, 30 April, 1977)
Plenty more in google ...
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=whitl ... =firefox-a

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