Reasons not to vote GREEN

[Rorschach]

Greens are losing voters as their agenda is exposed
* by: Janet Albrechtsen
* From: The Australian
* January 16, 2013 12:00AM

IT is bad enough that a young eco-lout resorts to deliberate fraud and market manipulation to further his anti-capitalist, anti-coalmining dreams.

It is even more repugnant that a mature-aged senator representing Australian voters and drawing a taxpayer-funded salary condones this kind of flagrant illegality and economic vandalism. While regulators ought to pursue Jonathan Moylan using the full force of the law, voters don't need rules and regulations to sanction the Greens. They only require a pencil, a ballot paper and a looming election.

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[Outlaw Yogi]

Well I was a Greens Delegate to Qld State Council for 5 years consecutively until 2008, so figure I have an inside perspective. Policy debates drag on forever, because they believe in acheiving consensus, which means heaps of meaningless amendments to keep egoistic obstructionists happy, so they can feel important. I realise political parties are often ego clashes for the sake of point scoring, but the Qld Greens was like a constany cat and dog fight.

Anyway what I saw was the older leaders/hierachy are bowing out to let young blood have a go.
Problem with the young blood is they have experience in/at nothing and too often are vegetarians, or worse, vegans. The hierachy know veg nazis are extremists but allow them to continue the takeover because they think vegetarianism is popular with the young and so will gain electoral strength via the youth vote.

Problem is, a lot of these veg nazis want to phase out meat consumption leading eventually to prohibition and think destruction of the cattle industry is a good place to start. Well the last 2 generations of my family bred cattle (Herefords and Pole Herefords) and I like meat, especially pork. So they've lost me.

While in a yogic cult years ago, the guru said "all isms fail" and that includes environmentalism. After seeing all sorts of dodgey agendas done in the name of environmentalism I can see why. Hopefully in the near future there will be no need for it.
Time will tell.

[mellie]

Heres what the Australia Youth Climate Coalition had to say about industry terrorist Jonathan Moylan.


The recently deceased young digital prodigy Aaron Swartz, worked closely with the Australian groups GetUp! and the Australian Youth Climate Coalition also.


http://aycc.org.au/2013/01/13/whitehave ... rspective/

It's a disgrace, young lives are being destroyed by eco-fascism, and bankrolled by GALP.

Have they no conscience?

Will stop at nothing when spreading their religion "Global Warming"?


Extremist organisations enlist some of the most vulnerable members of our society who are searching for meaning to their their own lives.

And like those who turn to cults, many of them turn to groups like this to give them a sense of false purpose.

I say false, because they give far more of themselves than they receive, and often end up damaged and discarded by those groups who solicited them to do their dirty work for them to begin with.

GetUP! needs to start taking responsibility for it's casualties.

[mantra]

Anyway what I saw was the older leaders/hierachy are bowing out to let young blood have a go.
Problem with the young blood is they have experience in/at nothing and too often are vegetarians, or worse, vegans. The hierachy know veg nazis are extremists but allow them to continue the takeover because they think vegetarianism is popular with the young and so will gain electoral strength via the youth vote.

In recent years this has become a problem. The Greens need a strong leader, not just a nice one, to keep the rest of the party in line.

[Neferti]

Anyway what I saw was the older leaders/hierachy are bowing out to let young blood have a go.
Problem with the young blood is they have experience in/at nothing and too often are vegetarians, or worse, vegans. The hierachy know veg nazis are extremists but allow them to continue the takeover because they think vegetarianism is popular with the young and so will gain electoral strength via the youth vote.

In recent years this has become a problem. The Greens need a strong leader, not just a nice one, to keep the rest of the party in line.

Why don't you try out for the Leadership, Mantra. You must be their most avid follower. They could do worse. Go For It!

[mellie]

Anyway what I saw was the older leaders/hierachy are bowing out to let young blood have a go.
Problem with the young blood is they have experience in/at nothing and too often are vegetarians, or worse, vegans. The hierachy know veg nazis are extremists but allow them to continue the takeover because they think vegetarianism is popular with the young and so will gain electoral strength via the youth vote.

In recent years this has become a problem. The Greens need a strong leader, not just a nice one, to keep the rest of the party in line.

Why don't you try out for the Leadership, Mantra. You must be their most avid follower. They could do worse. Go For It!

Naaa, Mantras too much of a straight shooter to join their party, she speaks her mind and tells the truth, even if she gets a few things wrong sometimes, she is genuine and honestly believes the Greens are the go.

Instant disqualification there I'm afraid...sigh!~

And.... in order to be the leader of the Greens party, preferably a "Childless, atheist ex-communist"-KRudd

They don't normally take on breeders to lead their party, not for any great length of time anyway.

An urban homosexual tree-hugging trendoid is normally the preferred.

[Outlaw Yogi]

Regarding Jonathan Moylan.
Read an article in the Australian complaining about Christine Milne being an apologist or advocate for Moylan's antics.

Personally I think what Moylan did was excellent and quite funny. Not because it targeted an industry some want to be history, or because of any party political agendas. But because he showed the stock market and corporate regime for what it is. A scam susceptible to being scammed.
If he'd pilfered the takings from a poker machine or few, he'd probably get a slap on the wrist community service order with a lecture from the magistrate, but because he fudged a regime where the sponge class lay their bets he's the devil incarnate. Love it!.

[Rorschach]

Deep green campaign an enemy of progress
* by: Nick Cater
* From: The Australian
* April 19, 2013 12:00AM

THEY have the appetites, we have the land. What could possibly stop Australia becoming the food bowl of the Asia-Pacific in a world of nine billion people?

It was left to Graeme Acton, of Acton Super Beef in central Queensland, to grab the audience microphone and bring the conference back to earth.

"Someone said this morning we're in the best position," he said. "That's right - we are in the best position, but we're in the worst situation."

The shift from hard to soft resources, from mining to dining, will not be easy and is by no means inevitable. Billions to our north will need to be fed, just as they are now hungry for iron ore and coal. Extracting the nutrients from the earth, however, is a more complicated and perilous task than extracting minerals.

As one drought ends, another one begins. Time and again the discussion at yesterday's Global Food Forum came back to the arid investment climate.

Significantly, there was only one representative from the superannuation industry in attendance; the low returns simply do not excite domestic investors. Farmers can be their own worst enemies when it comes to enticing willing investors, Macquarie Agriculture Funds Management's co-head Tim Hornibrook told the forum.

He said the farming sector had almost as many representative bodies as farmers, and most of them spend their time talking down their book. So much effort had been put into convincing governments that farmers were in trouble that the investors started to believe it.

Lyndon Schneiders from the Wilderness Society volunteered further reasons not to invest in farming, at least in northern Australia. The argument was too contested, he warned, and investors risked doing their dough. Northern Australia was "a green field on a massive level," and Australia "as we all know is an ancient country with ancient soils."

The agricultural sector would be wise to pay attention to Schneiders's veiled threat. The Wilderness Society has form; it was active in the campaign to pass the Wild Rivers legislation, locking out development from Cape York to the anger of Aboriginal leader Noel Pearson.

Farmers still cannot make up their minds as to whether environmentalism is an opportunity or a threat. The green path to innovation is enticing, offering the scope for cleaner, healthier niche products badged "sustainable".

In the development of northern Australia, however, the deep green movement is the enemy of progress. For progressives, Australia's frontier closed 30 years ago with the scuppering of the Gordon-below-Franklin dam, and they are not about to change their minds.

The temporary closure of the live cattle trade to Indonesia last year, in response to the video evidence of abattoir cruelty has shaken the agricultural sector beyond the cattle trade.

The argument runs both ways; beef producers had left themselves in a vulnerable position by failing to diversify.

Yet the government's knee-jerk reaction in response to the footage brought home the widening gulf between city and country. The latte suburbs around the CBD seem particularly remote from the realities of farming, and it is there that opinion leaders congregate.

Farmers clearly have an image problem; their role in keeping Australians fed and clothed and their contribution to the export economy is under appreciated.

Anthony Pratt recalled his youth in the 1970s, when agricultural science was harder to get into than medicine. Today, only 750 graduates a year are emerging with agricultural science degrees, despite more than 4000 vacancies in the food industry.

One simple idea, however, seemed to catch imaginations. Vicki Meyer from Deniliquin Freighters suggested renaming the agriculture ministry the ministry of food. Andrew Robb, who in five months' time may well be a person of some influence, said the idea had merit.